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Author:  charlief [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:32 am ]
Post subject:  Two questions
My wife was so impressed by my Outback she thought it was a good idea to purchase a Sport complete with sailing kit from an online auction for her. The sail and mast is in great condition the mirage drive fins and rudder cables, unfortunately not so. Still it was a bargain and the hull is sound and after 5 years of use its probably overdue a little maintanence.

Question 1. I am buying a set of Turbo fins for the Outback and plan to put the fins and fin masts onto the Sport. Sport drive is V1 Outback is V2, are the fins and masts interchangeable between the 2 drives?

Question 2. Is there a diagram or video for replacing cables on the steering and rudder lifting mechanism available. I will probably get the local kayak shop to replace the cables, they have no experience with Hobies.

Thanks in anticipation for your answers.
Author:  Ranger908 [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
Question One:

It is unclear what you want to do. If you want to use your V2 Drive in the Sport, that is not a problem. If you want to upgrade your V1 Drive with the Turbo's same as used on the ones you purchased for the V2 Drive it won't work. The fin shafts are different. You have two options: Replace the sprockets in the VI or purchase VI shafts.

Question Two"

Don't know if there is a diagram around. They are easy to replace if you do it as you remove the old ones. The running of the lines is simple.
Author:  KayakingBob [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
A better idea might be to keep the sports Mirage drive to carry as a spare, and then buy a new V2 drive. Then you'll have 2 of the latest version and a spare if (when) you break down on the water. Depending where and how far from a rescue/landing point you normally travel, will depend on the value to you.
Author:  Roadrunner [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
charlief wrote:
Question 1. I am buying a set of Turbo fins for the Outback and plan to put the fins and fin masts onto the Sport. Sport drive is V1 Outback is V2, are the fins and masts interchangeable between the 2 drives?
Charlie, congratulations on your bargain Sport! All you need to swap the fins out is a pair of V-2 sprockets -- $30.80 (pn 81129001) for a pair. Price of your Turbofin upgrade kit is $92.95 (pn 72066001) for your other Drive. Total = $123.75 US

or

You could order the V-2 upgrade kit (sprockets and Turbo masts) for $51.45 (pn 81129122) and 2 Turbofins for $57.90 (pn 81192001). Total = $109.35. You get the same parts and save a few bucks this way -- makes the effective price for those sprockets only $16.40 for the pair. That's hard to beat!

Add a little cleaning, lube and adjustment and that Sport Drive should operate like new. The FAQ section has details.

There are times when it makes sense to carry a spare Drive -- expeditions or trips, and any significant distance off-shore. On the other hand, with 2 or more Hobie's you always have a spare Drive in your partner's boat (always carry a tow rope). If something does break on a Drive (it happens occasionally), the Drive is almost always still operable. Knowing your procedures and frequently inspecting your Drive are advantageous when it comes to staying out of trouble when beyond safe paddling range.

Be sure and verify the above prices and descriptions before you order! 8)
Author:  charlief [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
Rang the only Hobie dealer in NZ today and wouldn't you know it he had a pair of VI masts and I can have them for $20. That means I can use the standard fins I have on the Outback on the Sport and put the Turbo's on the Outback. The Outback is the V2 drive not the Sport as originally stated - doh! The cost of a new drive here is almost NZ$1000! I also got a spare set of chains and cables with the Sport so I will go to visit my brother in law who is an engineer and inventor. He is intrigued by the Mirage drive so we will strip it, give it a service and order any new parts needed.
Thanks for your advice.

On a totally different note was just reading on the local Kayak Fishing Forum that a yakker had a close encounter with a Great White shark at my favourite fishing area. It just checked him out then swam off, apparently there are two in the area at the moment. :shock: Think I'll just fish in the harbour or go chase trout in the lake for a while! :D
Author:  charlief [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
I got the Turbo fins for my Outback and sorted the drive on the Sport. I discovered the local engineer can make masts cheaper than the Hobie dealer can supply them for. He is also going to replace the pedal shafts, a lot cheaper than buying new pedal assemblies.

We went out on the local lake last weekend and man was I impressed by the turbo's. Trouble is my wife was peddling twice as hard with regular fins to keep up. I would like to put turbo's on the Sport for her but have heard that the V1 drive well is not as robust as the V2 and may develop a crack if turbo's are used. Is this correct, the Sport is 5 -6 years old. If turbo's aren't reccomended I will put square tips on instead.

Off down to Lake Taupo for the weekend, its a big caldera in the central North Island high country. Hope to try the sail out for the first time!
Author:  Roadrunner [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
charlief wrote:
Trouble is my wife was peddling twice as hard with regular fins to keep up. I would like to put turbo's on the Sport for her but have heard that the V1 drive well is not as robust as the V2 and may develop a crack if turbo's are used. Is this correct, the Sport is 5 -6 years old. If turbo's aren't recommended I will put square tips on instead.
You've done it now -- there is no turning back. There is no reason you can't convert the old Drive to Turbos. Cracking a sprocket is unlikely unless you overtighten the Allenhead retention screw (holds the mast in). The most common problem is the Allenhead not being seated properly and/or the screw backing out, allowing the mast to slip part way out and start wallowing the hole. Ultimately, this can throw the fin and ruin the sprocket.

This can be minimized by making sure you have a good seat on the mast flat spot, locking the Allenhead in place with a thread locker ( I use Loctite blue) and inspecting the screw and mast after each outing. If worst comes to worst, you can epoxy the whole mess in place using a good marine epoxy.

There are two elements that differentiate the V1 and the V2 Drives. One is the sprocket/mast combination. You can upgrade your old Drive anytime and continue using the same fins if and when you ever break your old V-1s.

The other element is drums and cables (must be replaced together because of longer cable lengths and different cable tips). This upgrade is quite a bit more expensive, mostly due to the expense of the cables. Most users don't have problems with the old drums and so it's not a big worry.

You can upgrade sprockets and masts and/or drums and cables independently. Most '08 Drives have V-1 sprockets and V-2 Drums; 09 and newer have V-2 versions of both. 8)
Author:  Roadrunner [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
Here's some more info on installing the "V-1" Turbofin masts:

Quote:
When reinserting the mast, pre mark the flat spot (see below) so you'll know when it is facing the Allenhead screw.
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Tap it to make sure it is fully seated. If it is wobbling in the sprocket, you should either replace the sprocket or apply epoxy to stabilize the mast (or risk having the mast fall out when you least expect it). Locktite your Allenhead lock screw in and make sure it is fully seated -- check the other one while you're at it. Screws that are not fully seated (left, below) or that back out are the primary problem areas with this style of mast. You can tell by the final depth of the Allenhead screw. The above picture shows the screw properly seated.
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Quote:
On new V-1 sprockets, the Allenhead holes may not pre-threaded. They can be a bear to install without a power driver! The reason for this is that the older screws could get loose and back out. These stay in place much better, once you get them threaded! Be sure to thread them in all the way into the notch.

The new holes are tight, but the masts will fit. This is to insure a snug fit. THEY SHOULD NOT BE REAMED IN ANY WAY! Once the mast starts wobbling, it will eventually wear out the hole.
Here are a few tips that may be helpful:

1. Make sure the hole is clear of plastic shavings

2. Pre-mark the flat spot on your mast with a sharpie so you'll know where it is when the fiat spot is hidden.

3. Use a little soapy water to help the mast slip in (the soap will leach out later).

4. Using padded pliers, twist the mast as you insert it. When you get it in as far as you can, line it up (with the pliers if necessary) using your mark and tap it a few times to seat it.

5. If your screws are loose, now that the dealer "fixed" them, use a drop of Loctite blue to keep them in.

6. When you think the screws are tight, try rotating the mast with pliers. Tighten the screw until the mast no longer rotates, but don't over tighten.

7. If the screw is recessed when finished, you did it right. If it still sticks out, the screw may be hanging up on one of the ledges (if there is an option, I use the single flat spot; if the flat spot is split, I file off the middle ledge, as my screws tend to hang up on it).

With practice, it's easy to know what to look for, but the first time, it can be difficult to get it right!
8)
Author:  dregsfan [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
Roadrunner wrote:
Here's some more info on installing the "V-1" Turbofin masts:


Great stuff, as usual RR. Thanks.
Author:  charlief [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
Now here's the thing, the masts on the Sport drive are held in place with a split pin not an allen screw, does anyone know what version of drive this is?

Thank's for all your helpful advise, have found my way around the drive mechanism without too much trouble so far and am very impressed with the simplicity of the mechanism.

Once I've figured out the photo program on my new lap top will post some pictures.
Author:  Roadrunner [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Two questions
charlief wrote:
Now here's the thing, the masts on the Sport drive are held in place with a split pin not an allen screw, does anyone know what version of drive this is?
Yes, you have the even older Stainless Steel sprockets. You will have no problems with Turbofins at all -- these sprockets are virtually bullet-proof. Just remember to use a new stainless cotter pin with your new masts and keep the cables adjusted properly on the Drive (see the FAQ section) so they don't skip a cog. 8)

PS I think you would order the "V-1" kit for that -- it should have a have a small hole for the cotter pin on one end of the mast).
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