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Author:  Rick1975 [ Thu May 12, 2011 5:27 am ]
Post subject:  Hobie sport weight hold.
Hello folks,

I was thinking to get me a hobie mirage sport kayak, since i don't have a storage place for a hobie outback. I'm from the Netherlands, and the dutch salespages say the hobie mirage sport can handle 110 kg / 242 lbs but now I'm getting into it i've been reading that on the official page it states :

Capacity: 225 lbs / 102 kg

My weight is 222 lbs / 101 lbs so does this mean i can't take another 22 lbs with me or is hobie playing it too much on safe with their guideline on their official page ????

http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaks/mirage/sport/

So what about these pages ?

http://www.hobiekayak.be/nl/aanbod/Hobie/1
http://www.hobie-kayak.com/cms/index.ph ... rage-sport
http://www.hobiecat.nl/kayaks/hobie_kayaks_index.php

They all state the hobie sport can handle 242 lbs / 111 kg

Now I would like to know from hobie ? Can I safely paddle this kayak with some 22 lbs gear weighing 222 lbs ?

Regards,

Rick.
Author:  mmiller [ Thu May 12, 2011 8:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
This was recently discussed here. We changed the parameters that were used in stating a maximum weight for best stability. The distributor's site has not been updated it appears. Max weight is you plus any gear you carry.

I would hesitate to suggest to you that you can exceed the recommended max weight.
Author:  Roadrunner [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Rick, the Sport also has a shorter cockpit. What's your height? 8)
Author:  Rick1975 [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
@miller, I will lose 22lbs off bodyweight I presume in the comming half year, but for starters I would have to take on a package for camping.
So I must take that 242 lbs max to get me and my gear to the right spot.

@Roadrunner,

I've thought the sport could handle 6 foot tall people, I am 6foot and 2 inches, will these 2 inches be a problem ? Because I want to travell 20km a day with the sport, twice a weekend.

Regards,

Rick.
Author:  Grampa Spey [ Thu May 12, 2011 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Recently I discovered this drop in "labeled" weight capacity and posted this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=35193

After watching American Lawyers $crew up America for decades, :x it would appear that the $ue them and $ue them again and again American lawyers have apparently forced Hobie to make these changes in labeling.

Hobie needs to come out with a Mirage Yak larger than the Sport with more capacity, but smaller than the Outback and less capacity.

A 10.5' Yak, weighing 52 #'s with a 325 # load capacity would be great.

Hobie could call it "$crew the $uing Lawyer$ Mirage.
Author:  Rick1975 [ Thu May 12, 2011 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Ok thanks for your comments,

Does the length of the hobie include the rudder ? The reactions make me want to recalculate the storage size I have for possibilities for an outback.

Regards,

Rick.
Author:  mmiller [ Thu May 12, 2011 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Quote:
it would appear that the $ue them and $ue them again and again American lawyers have apparently forced Hobie to make these changes in labeling.


It was more to do with comfortable stability in all conditions. We simply re-evaluated our process of determining max weights.
Author:  Roadrunner [ Thu May 12, 2011 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Rick1975 wrote:
I've thought the sport could handle 6 foot tall people, I am 6foot and 2 inches, will these 2 inches be a problem ? Because I want to travell 20km a day with the sport, twice a weekend.
In my opinion, you're too tall for the Sport. I am 4 inches shorter and use the longest pedal interval. You can see here the pedals are at the limit and still my legs are not quite as straight as I normally like:
Image

You could probably fit, but you would be cramped. The less than ideal pedal angle and leg extension would rob you of power over your distance and increase fatigue. Twenty five miles per weekend is a lot of water to cover in a Sport. It would be very risky to purchase this boat without at least first getting to try one out first!

The ideal hardshell Hobie for you would probably be the Revolution. Its 13 feet does not include the additional 4 inches for the rudder housing (retracted). It has excellent capacity, plenty of room, good speed and handles a broad range of weather conditions very well.

If space is a limiting factor, why not look at the i-12s inflatable? It has tons of leg room and weight capacity. It folds up into a bag and fits in your closet. It can travel in your trunk or back seat. This picture gives you an idea of how easily it carries about 380 lb. The seat is adjustable backward with no passenger. It is about the same speed range as the Sport.
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My only reservation with this boat is the distance you have to cover on a regular basis. Adverse wind or current could add quite a bit to your commute!
Here's a link with more pictures. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=7654

In any event, you would definitely want to have Turbofins to help cover the distance. Good luck with your choice! 8)
Author:  Rick1975 [ Fri May 13, 2011 4:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
@Roadrunner

The reason for me not wanting an inflatable boat is that I allready have an old metzeller XR Trekking, still made by grabner sports, it's not that bad of a boat but it's very old and leaking air slowly. Ofcourse it doesnt have the hobie paddle system.

So this time I want a boat that will last forever and I think that has to be the outback or the sport. Thank you for your advice with the pictures, however, I need to store the outback like it states in this movie

http://www.hobiecat.com/videos/906/

And that is impossible, I can barely fit it into my shed, it will have to be if it fits on its back in a 45 degree angle which will put some stress on the boat, and I'd rather not have to do this. Also i will have to make a strange angle to get the boat into my shed because of the way it's build.

So the sport is for now the only boat of hobby that comes to mind unless by some miracle I can put the outback in my shed, currently I am not at home but when I'm back I'll recalculate my shed. I allready made a small marquette if that's the right word for it to see if it's possible, but i was guessing about the exact sizes. So I will have to wait for one week to have the actual sizes.

Regards,

Rick.
Author:  whosyerbob [ Fri May 13, 2011 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
From our experience of having a Sport, I would opt instead for an Outback. My wife primarily used the Sport and constantly complained that it was too short for her legs (she is 5 feet and 7 inches). When I tried using the the Sport, not only was it too short for my legs, but the holes for the steering lines would frequently submerge and the Sport would take on water (I'm 220 pounds). We came to believe that the Sport is better suited for smaller adults or children.
Author:  Rick1975 [ Fri May 13, 2011 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie sport weight hold.
Ok thanks for your advice whosyerbob.

I'm eager to measure my shed to actual sizes to see if it can hold an outback.

Could anybody tell me the exact measurements of a hobie outback ?

I mean height length (when rudder is retracted) width ?

So I can scale it all to see if it fits in my shed and can pass the hallway and pass through the door.

Things will be tight but not hopeless I hope because I want a hobie so bad....

I would like to have some camo paint on my hobie too, are the materials hobies are made off secret ? So I can use paint and probably add some things to the hobie with epoxy.

Regards,

Rick.
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