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| Author: | MUST5429 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Ok folks, after some lengthy discussions with Hobie Cat Company, we finally have some hard numbers. Hobie will make a run of Hobie 18 Hulls if we can get hard commitment from at least 10 buyers. At this point we are looking at a price for two hulls of $6950.00 plus shipping. As a one time deal, you can order anything else you may need for the boat, Tramp, Sails, Standing rigging, Rudders, Daggers, whatever, at a 20% discount. This is a unique opportunity to freshen up your tired old Hobie 18, or to dig one out of a storage yard somewhere and essentially "build" your own "new" Hobie 18. If you are interested in participating in this unique program/opportunity. Speak Up NOW. We need commitments from at least 10 people by the end of the first week in January if we are to get this pulled together in time for a May/June Delivery. Now that we have hard numbers, we can quantify the true level of interest. I would imagine that at some point, we will need a deposit so that Hobie Cat Company can be assured that they will not end up with a bunch of hulls sitting in the warehouse. For the time being, I have volunteered to be the liaison between Hobie 18 Owners and Hobie Cat Company as we build interest. In the interest of keeping inaccurate rumors to a minimum, please direct your questions and interest to me, although, I am sure that at some point you will need to get in touch with a dealer to place an order and make your deposit. Once we have all the details worked out, and before you actually part with any money, you will all get good accurate and reliable information on how to proceed. NO part of ANY financial transaction will be handled by me. This will all be handled thru authorized Hobie Dealers Only. Stephen Cooley [email protected] |
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| Author: | ncmbm [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
I'm very interested! Can we get some input from the factory on planned construction, ie: expected weight, vinylester/polyester. I would assume same topcap construction but a smooth deck transition would be sweet! January commitment is a little quick but I have some stuff to sell so it is a possibility. Wonder if the bank would loan me some dollar bills ya'll! 
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| Author: | MBounds [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
ncmbm wrote: I'm very interested! Can we get some input from the factory on planned construction, ie: expected weight, vinylester/polyester. I would assume same topcap construction but a smooth deck transition would be sweet! January commitment is a little quick but I have some stuff to sell so it is a possibility. Wonder if the bank would loan me some dollar bills ya'll! Since the Hobie 18 is an ISAF International Class, these will be built to original spec - same molds, same materials, same weight. |
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| Author: | MUST5429 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
ncmbm wrote: I'm very interested! Can we get some input from the factory on planned construction, ie: expected weight, vinylester/polyester. I would assume same topcap construction but a smooth deck transition would be sweet! January commitment is a little quick but I have some stuff to sell so it is a possibility. Wonder if the bank would loan me some dollar bills ya'll! I will let Matt Miller weigh in with answers to the material questions. I can tell you that the new hulls will be in keeping with the one design concept of the original Hobie 18 both in appearance and weight. I am not sure what the exact weight per hull will be, hopefully Matt can asnwer that too, but the weight will be in keeping with a total boat weight of 400#. The construction should be the same as the hulls on my 2004 H-18, and it consistently weighs in between 398# and 400# at NAC Events. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Correct... same construction and weight. |
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| Author: | srm [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
I assume the hulls will be made in the USA, but you don't say that specifically? Last year there was talk that some new boats would be made in Australia. This would have a significant impact on shipping costs. Also, what exactly is included? Is this just a bare hull, or does it include bridle, shroud, trapeze & crossbar fittings as well as trampoline track, gudgeons, porthole, drainplug & graphics? sm |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Includes hardware that is permanently affixed to the hull, screwed, bolted or riveted. Tracks, tangs, gudgeons. Where they are built is not an issue. Price will be the same. There is higher labor costs in the US, but higher shipping if it comes from Australia. |
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| Author: | sgtpepperoni00 [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Wow this is awesome news. Bringing back the 18 yeeeeaaah. You guys are super lucky. if i had 15k i would just have them build me the whole boat new straight up |
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| Author: | centralmichigansailor [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Fellow H18 sailers, think this over very carefully. There are so many reasons you prefer the 18 over anything else currently available, as I do... I have worked in a manufacturing business before, & I am extremely surprised to actually see this floated as a possibility by Hobie. It truly very well might never happen again. Just think, the $$ spent on this proposition versus the last car you bought....how much did you pay for that, and what is it worth now? I am pretty sure that I am going to figure out a way to do this...very cheap in the long run! Two questions: (for Matt M): (1) Would the hulls have the newer style cast aluminum euro one-piece gudgeons or the older two-piece stainless? (2) Retail price & color palatte available for a custom main sail, assuming purchased with a stock white jib? |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
The one piece gudgeon could be included. Available sail cloth colors are shown in current sails: http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/part_sails.html |
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| Author: | MUST5429 [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
I know this is not an ideal time of the year to be thinking of spending a large chunk of change on a summer hobby, but we need to start getting serious if we are to pull this one together. Hulls will not be ready for delivery until sometime in May at the earliest. That gives people plenty of time to make any necessary financial arrangements. I see this as somewhat of a collaborative effort between Hobie 18 enthusiasts and the Hobie Cat Company. Individual buyers need to make the commitment by January so that the factory has enough lead time to get their ducks in a row to actually build the hulls. It has been at least 7 years since Hobie USA built a Hobie 18 Hull. That part of the process doesn't just happen overnight. Some Questions I have received over the past couple of days. I have posted answers to the some of the questions, and will let Matt Miller answer the rest. As questions come up this is an ideal place to post them so that as Matt posts the answers Everyone knows the correct answers. Question : price in USD or AUD Answer: USD. Australian Hobie 18 Sailors would have to contact Hobie AUS and ask Steve Fields for a AUS price. Question:Are the Hulls being made in US or Aust. Answer: Hulls will be made @ Hobie USA in Oceanside, Ca Question: is that 10 only in the US or world wide? Answer: 10 sets world wide. This is really great news to the 18 sailors. I can get you a firm answer yet, but I am working on ways to find the financing for the new hulls and of course I have a couple of questions. First would it be possible to pick these up at the factory and avoid shipping charges? Second does this price include any dealer mark up? And finally, Since I live in Nevada, would I be able to get out of paying CA sales tax? That's good news that Hobie has agreed to manufacturer some more hulls even though they're a bit pricey. Will they be offering the other parts such as daggerboards at a 20% discount to only those that purchase new hulls or to anybody? And some of the comments I have gotten from fellow Hobie 18 sailors from across the country and around the worlsd Intriguing! I have a 1982 H18 and love it, but one hull does have an extensive soft area that was repaired, and both are showing their age. I’d be interested in new hulls so keep me on the list. I am interested in finding Hobie-18 hulls, rudders, and a few other items that will fit my catamaran. I will need to dig all my stuff out and see what’s good and what’s not and add up the cost. Please keep me posted. Any idea what shipping might cost? I am in the Jackson Mississippi area. I need to refresh my memory but I think that there is more than one model H-18 hull. Which model are you talking about, or do I get an option? How do I verify that they will work with my crossbars, tramp, etc.? I am going to price out what it would take for me to put one together... I think I would need the rudder castings, crossbar extrusions, one d-board, wire rigging & maybe new blades & a new mast to match. My guess is 3K of additionals or 5K of additionals with a new mast, too. My gut feeling is that I will take advantage of this offer. I am young and will get a tremendous amount of use out of a "new" boat....especially at half the cost of a new Tiger. Home is Australia....... If the hulls are made in the US I would need to know what I was looking at in transport & duties before i could make a decision.... it may just turn out easier to sail it til it dies & then look for another brand of boat that i can get parts for..... which would be a shame as my kids like sailing the 18 with me cause its a very stable platform. |
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| Author: | Hobie 18 #7877 [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
mmiller wrote: Correct... same construction and weight. So, does this mean that I will be paying $7000-$8000 for hulls that will have the potential to delaminate in 10-15 years like a good majority of the original hulls have. I would hope in this day and technically advanced time that there is a solution to this problem since this is the main reason many of us have to get new hulls. Hopefully this has been addressed and will be included in this new construction to keep the delamination from happening. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
From various questions above... Delamination has not been an issue for many years. You will find that the biggest issues were in the 70s - Early 80s. There is a dealer margin built in. Has to be. This is not factory direct. Made in USA or Australia? Not actually finalized. Same price either way / either place. Labor is more in the US. Freight is more if built in Aus. |
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| Author: | srm [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
mmiller wrote: The one piece gudgeon could be included. One issue comes to mind- particularly since this offer is being marked primarily to folks with older boats. Many of us still use the old style/original rudder system. The gudgeon mounting locations are different for the old vs. new rudder casting systems. I'm wondering if Hobie has given any consideration as far as making provisions to accomodate people wanting to upgrade their hulls but who want to continue to use their old rudder castings...i.e., would Hobie install an extra set of gugeon screw mounting holes so that the old gugeon locations can be used? I realize that this is a fairly minor issue, but I think most people would prefer not to have to start drilling and tapping holes in their brand new hulls before they can use them. sm |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Hulls for your Hobie 18 |
Locations / type of gudgeon is pretty easy to change. I think we would build based on the use of newer rudder castings (86 - newer). Others could simply remount their original gudgeons in the original locations. |
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