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Author: | Lakewateree [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Hard to get the mainsail up |
I'm still getting to know the 18 I just bought and have another question...it's REALLY hard to pull my main up. It's not bad at the start, but is tough once it gets towards the top. I bought some dry lubricating spray and put it on the sail, it helped some but not much. Tips, hints, advice please!!! |
Author: | Hobie Dude [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
Check out the faq section. I usually get some one to feed the sail and I stand at the rear cross bar and pull |
Author: | OlderBowman [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
make sure the mast extrusion in the track is not bent or pinched, especially around where the mast rests when trailering. second, clean the track very well. |
Author: | ingasguns [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
checking and cleaning the track is good. i use a block of parifin and rub it Hard into the luff rope on both sides. it tends to last the whole season and works good. some tri-flo in the top pulley may help also. checking the luff rope for irregularrities is good also. |
Author: | John Lunn [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
On my 2nd H18, this is an SX, and for the last few weeks, I've had the devil of a time getting the head of the sail to lock onto the hook. We've lubed and cleaned and siliconed, and that part is fine. Yes, it does go up all the way. When the head of the sail reaches the top pulleys, no matter how much (or little) we rotate the mast, something is happening that prevents the Aussie ring from latching onto the hook. Ideas anyone? I want to save the trouble of tipping the SX to see what's going on here. |
Author: | Chet3 [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
I was also having a tough time raising the main on my H18. It would go up but it was a lot of work and hooking the halyard at the top was tough because you had to really pull to get it up and then pull the sail back down. I changed out the frayed halyard with a slightly smaller line, put some teflon spray on the sail bolt rope and mast track and it made a world of difference. It goes up easy and if I have to give a few tries at the hook it is not a big deal (I am getting better at that also). I also tweeked the SS guide that feeds the bolt rope into the mast track and that helped. Good luck, Chet |
Author: | ncmbm [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
I have found there to be a great deal of resistance from a worn out pulley at the top or bottom. Check for this by running the halyard up and down without the sail attached, seemes simple but few ever try this. Lubricating the sail and mast track will help. Look for dents and burrs along the track. Feeding the sail by hand will definately help, especially as you get near the top and are pulling the weight of the complete sail along with whatever friction there is. John, Unless your mast has a flapper on the hook there is nothing to prevent the ring from engaging. Check your knot, sometimes they will prevent hooking. Stand back so you can see what the ring and hook are doing, without the flapper its a very simple system. Sometimes twist in the halyard can turn the ring away from the hook but you should still be able to rotate enough to hook it. |
Author: | John Lunn [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
Centralmichigansailor suggested that perhaps the halyard was on the 'wrong' side of the hook. This allows the mainsail to be raised all the way, however, it cannot be hooked. It is possible, as I use the main halyard to raise the jib snorkel. I will watch for that next time. The 'winter works' project will include looking at the pulleys and at the smoothness of the mast track. Plus replacing the rudder cams and adjusting the plates. No need for us to decorate the Hobie Bob, while we have seagulls, they stay away from us and fertilize other areas. Still looking for a spin set up, stay tuned. Thanks for all your help. |
Author: | ncmbm [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
Halyard outside the hook will cause the issue but you can see that pretty easy. I tend to make that mistake if the halyard is loose when I start feeding the sail. The slack halyard can easily get tangled. Good luck with your spin set up, let me know if I can help |
Author: | mmiller [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
FAQ: http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=18 This is from my FAQ on sail hoisting: Quote: Raising the mainsail of a Hobie can be more difficult than need be. Several factors can cause the mainsail to be difficult to hoist: Dirty luff ropes and luff tracks. These can be cleaned with soapy water and a scrub brush. If you want to use a lubricant, keep away from oils and waxes that can attract dirt. Use a dry silicone spray. Most all Hobie sails now have a Teflon threaded bolt (luff) rope to ease the hoisting effort. Battens and sail shape. The battens stiffen the airfoil shape of your sail. Over tensioning of the battens can cause a couple of problems. Luff protector caps can be forced against the mast and cause drag when hoisting. The battens also force the sail shape into a curve. The luff curve (seen when laying the sail out on the ground, as a large arch) is typical to Hobie Cat main sails. The sails "airfoil" shape is mostly created by the miss-matched mast bend and luff curve of the sail. The luff curve is more than the likely mast bend and when the mast is straight (while hoisting) the difference is dramatic. This luff curve going up the straight mast can cause significant drag and hoisting problems when done incorrectly. Outhaul. Be sure the outhaul is fully released before hoisting. Hoist Technique: Keep the batten tension to a minimum. Hoist the sail slowly, while feeding into the mast opening. When the sail gets about 3/4's of the way up, begin aggressively feeding at the bottom opening and reduce the amount of halyard effort. If the halyard is pulled tight when the sail is not being fed into and up the track, you will have problems. The sail luff will pull taunt and the curve shape will bind in the (straight) mast track. Lower the sail slightly and begin feeding again. The best way to feed the sail is to stand in front of the mast and reach around either side to "sandwich" the sail between two hands (above the feeder opening) and push the sail up the track. Pull with the halyard, only the slack created, then feed again. If the sail binds, lower slightly and begin feeding again. This technique can be done by one person, but is certainly easier with two working together. It is VERY important that the person on the halyard only pulls the slack up the mast and does not get ahead of the feeder. Locking the Hobie 14/16 halyard: Once the sail is fully hoisted (be sure that the sail is fully inserted into the feeder). Pull the halyard forward of the mast by 3-4 feet. Hold the halyard on the centerline of the mast. Pull hard and hold the tension while bringing the halyard into the mast. Release the halyard tension and see that the sail remains fully hoisted. This seats a small bead, in the halyard, under a two finger prong "hook" and the top of the mast. If the sail slips down when downhaul tension is added, repeat the final hoist technique again. Be sure the bead is clear to pass the hook before pulling tension on the halyard. Locking the Hobie 17/18/20/21 Halyard: It is best to simulate the halyard locking with the mast down so you clearly understand the system. Then, depending on how old the boat is, be sure the hook does not have the old "flopper" stainless piece hanging on the hook. This old device caused difficulty in raising and hooking but would make it easier to release and lower. Also, be sure that the knot tied to the ring is very low profile. A long bowline knot will hit the mast head before the ring gets to the hook. If the ring has a small loop at the top... The line should be passed through the loop and a small knot tied. The knot (when ring and shackle are affixed to the sail) should be facing the mast. This tilts the ring closer to the mast. Then (before attaching halyard shackle to the sail) spin the halyard 3 or 4 times clockwise (looking down on the shackle). This "pre-loads" the halyard line and causes the ring to swing back towards the hook. Keep the boat into the wind and hoist. Should lock easily. To release... fully release the downhaul and outhaul. Partially feed the sail up the luff track. Hoist with the halyard to the top till it stops, hold... rotate the aft of the mast base to starboard, hold the mast rotated, ease the halyard a few feet before releasing the mast. Lower the sail. Can not say enough that feeding properly at the bottom is the key to easy hoisting. I suspect the ring is rotating away from the hook if not engaging. It is also possible that the hook is bent. |
Author: | Lakewateree [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
I used a spray sail lube that has heed a great deal. Now I'm having trouble getting it to hook up top. I assume mine is an older one since it has the flapper on the hook. Am I correct that it's a good idea to remove this flapper? I was going to cut it off when I have my mast down next |
Author: | John Lunn [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
Found the answer yesterday, on what is probably our last sail of the season. The sail is old, and I mean old. The bolt rope towards the head of the sail is no longer properly secured by the metal plate, and it 'pulls away' as it gets near the top of the mast. This is why the geometry no longer allows the ring to hook on..... I'll buy some more lottery tickets, and see about some new sails for next season. Anyone interested in a pair of SX18 wings? Also Magnum wings, with one weld. I might sell those to offset the cost of the sails. |
Author: | mboyer68 [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
Good find - Yup, if the top of the sail is allowed to wander away from the mast it won't hook properly. How much for the wings ? So - what's the reason for the ring/hook setup anyhow ? Seems like cats are the only ones with them. Makes bringing sail down in an emergency way more difficult so I'm sure there's a good reason. Matt ? ![]() |
Author: | Chet3 [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hard to get the mainsail up |
mboyer68 wrote: Good find - Yup, if the top of the sail is allowed to wander away from the mast it won't hook properly. How much for the wings ? So - what's the reason for the ring/hook setup anyhow ? Seems like cats are the only ones with them. Makes bringing sail down in an emergency way more difficult so I'm sure there's a good reason. Matt ? ![]() The ring on the main halyard to attach it to the hook on top is so that there is no tension on the halyard from the top of the mast down. The halyard tension from the top of the mast to the base will affect the bending of the mast by putting it in tension. This is only an issue on boats with a flexible mast and potentially lots of downhaul tension. If someone can word that better, have at it. ![]() |
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