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Author:  OlderBowman [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:28 am ]
Post subject:  Rigging HELP please!
I've got to replace the rigging on my '88 H18. Some have mentioned that OEM is the only way to go, others have suggested Murray's or Salty Dog Marine. SDM has a nice package that includes everything needed for what seems to be a fair price compared to the others. According to their description it has OEM specs.

I need to make the purchase. Has anyone had experience using their product? Or is it a case of you get what you pay for?

Thanks.
Author:  NCSUtrey [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:21 am ]
Post subject:  Sailing
I've always been a fan of Murray's. I've never been disappointed and have always had great service both before and after the sale. Brad@sunjammers *dot* com can set you up with the rigging from Murray's. That way, you'll still get the same price, but you'll also be supporting a great hobie dealer.
Author:  HobieNewBee [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:02 am ]
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let me know what you do and how it works out. Im going to be replacing all my rigging too.
Author:  srm [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:44 am ]
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Both Murrays and Salty Dog have been around FOREVER. I've gotten standing rigging from Murrays, it's been fine. I've never gotten standing rigging from Salty Dog, but I got a boat cover from them last year and it was top quality.

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Author:  hobie18rich [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:15 am ]
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I only use the hobie spec lines on my boats. There are two reasons for this. One if there is a failure that causes other damage hobie will work with you to help fix the problem. Sometimes for free sometimes at cost. If you use someone elses rigging that won't happen.
Second it supports my local hobie dealer. Thats the guy who gets me parts delivered to the race between saturday when it broke and sunday when i want to race. If he's not making money he can't support me or the racing fleets.
Just my two cents but id rather pay the extra to support the people who help make this possible.
Author:  soulcat01 [ Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sailing
NCSUtrey wrote:
Brad@sunjammers *dot* com can set you up with the rigging from Murray's. That way, you'll still get the same price, but you'll also be supporting a great hobie dealer.


I don't get it. Why would Sunjammers buy rigging from Murray's instead of Hobie? Does it have to do with them being the title sponsor on your website? I would rather him order the factory stuff for me.
Author:  ncmbm [ Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:07 pm ]
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Most Hobie dealers use both sources. Murray also stocks and sells Hobie specific parts. When I needed a class legal 18 jib Murray had them when Hobie did not. If your going to order Murray product let your dealer make the order, same price for you and they make a little as well.
Author:  Harry Murphey [ Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  H18 rigging
Now why would we order Side Stays/shrouds from Murray's?

It is because they will make them to a "custom" length that is 1 1/2" shorter then standard length from HobieCat.

Why??? Because w/ the standard shroud lengths I was always on my "bottom" hole in my shroud 10-hole adjuster. I was "out of adjustment" and could not get my rig set-up correct.

W/ the shorter shrouds I am either in the 5th down/5th up adjustment hole or the 6th down/4th up adjustment hole. If my calculations are correct the best I can do w/ the stock long shrouds would effectively place my rig in the 4th down/6th up. And that is not where I want to be! To tighten the rig properly I would have to stand the mast up/reduce my forestay length thereby changing my mast rake.

So which length shrouds are you going to order???

This trick origonated when you cut off the Nicro-Press Marine Eye Terminal at the closest possible to the fitting on a set of "stock" Hobie shroud and then have reswaged a new Marine Eye Terminal on ....

it is just significately cheaper to do it right the first time .... it costs approx $30 ea(+/-$5) to have a new marine eye swaged on ... and prices are going up.

Most off the Hobie Racers do this ... I do not know if HobieCat has ever changed their H18 shroud length to reflect this shorter length.

Most of the people at Murray's will know what I am talking about but I would talk to Doug ext #27

Harry
Author:  soulcat01 [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:41 am ]
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Note to self for the next regatta. Harrys boat is not class legal.
Author:  MUST5429 [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:00 am ]
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Harry regularly sails against a couple of "sea lawyers".
He talks a great game, but I seriously doubt if you will ever catch him on the water during a regatta with a boat that is not totally "legal"
He just likes to rail against the system !
While he might take the chance all by himself, he would never take a chance on getting DSQ'd while Megan is on the boat with him.
He thinks that much of her !
<Grin>

Stephen
Author:  srm [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:12 am ]
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Quote:
Note to self for the next regatta. Harrys boat is not class legal.



From the INTERNATIONAL HOBIE CLASS ASSOCIATION
2005-2008 CLASS RULES

15. WIRES
15.1 Wires as supplied by the HOBIE CAT CO. shall
not be reduced in diameter. They may be increased
in size. All wires may be shortened or
lengthened with exception of bridle wires.

It's totally legal to change the length of any shroud except for bridal wires.

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Author:  Harry Murphey [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  H18 Rigging
Hi Guys,

Steven thank you for the kind words .... and you are correct (as usual Oh' Master)

Maybe I should NOT let all these NEWBIES in on our "ol Timer" tricks that we have learned the hard way. Just keep my mouth shut and kick a-s on the race course.

My college degree is from Drexel University/ Mechanical Engineering BS ... if there is one thing engineers understand it is "Specifications", class rules are nothing but technical specifications!

Thank You to ??? for posting the correct rule. If you are ever in Div11 territory please look me up ... I'm not too hard to find usually

Harry
Author:  MUST5429 [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:13 am ]
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Harry, and all.

I believe that we should share all we know (about sailing the 18 anyway)
with anyone that cares enough to ask and listen.
Keeping secrets just lengthens their learning curve and leads to frustration. That is what causes new sailors to leave the class, or just quit sailing altogether.
Beyond that, the faster a new sailor gets better the sooner he makes me get better in my attempt to stay ahead of him.
In my opinion that is what sailing is all about.
The day I feel as tho I have mastered sailing will be the day I begin to lose interest and start looking around for something else that will "challenge me"
Fortunately, there is no danger of that ! I'll be sailing as long as I can get the mast in the air.

Stephen
Author:  shawnkillam [ Fri May 23, 2008 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  rigging - making your own.
I have not made any rigging for quite a while (other boats not a hobie) but it is a long way from rocket science. The tools are relatively cheap and the materials readily available. You could buy tools, materials several books and a case of beer for the price of a rigging set. Am I missing something here?
sk
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Sat May 24, 2008 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: rigging - making your own.
shawnkillam wrote:
Am I missing something here?
sk


You may be...

This tool is about the least expensive of the roller swaging tools and you're looking at a couple/5 grand. The Dies are around $700.

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for swaging this like on the 18 wires:

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Here is my annual assessment of the cost of building your own rigging up at big-box marine. This is straight from their catalog. I am using a Hobie 16 wire as an example, which doesn't use the aircraft style ends:

1X19 Brite Stay stainless wire (uncovered). $1.99 per foot.

1/8"Thimble $5.49

1/8" Sleeve $6.59

20' feet of wire = $39.80
2 1/8" thimbles =$5.49
2 1/8" sleeves =$6.59
Total for parts = $51.88

Probably take 15 to 20 minutes per shroud, so what ever that's worth.

Hobie list for a 16 shroud $37.50
So for the right part made correctly with a very expensive hydraulic swage tool, you save $14.38. I didn't even add the price of beer!

If you buy your own tool...I have a loos pro swager that cost $259 so add that onto the cost.

It's not worth messing around with your standing rig. That's one part on the boat that has to be right.

srm wrote:

It's totally (class) legal to change the length of any shroud except for bridal wires.

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Not if they're from Murray's they're not. :wink:
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