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Author:  sgtpepperoni00 [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Hobie 16 Standing Rigging Problems
Hi.
Just got me a completely new set of standing rigging. Everything seems to be good so far except the shrouds.
They are not long enough to reach the connection to the boat. My boat is from 1971. I just bought the boat about 3 weeks ago. I do not know how long the rigging that came with the boat has been on the boat for.. Hopefully it wasnt original rigging?!!

Anyways... I had heard somewhere that hobie made the shrouds shorter sometime not to long ago. My new shrouds are a good 4 inches from the connector piece. What should i do to get my new rigging up and running.

HELP Please!!! I want to sail TOMOROW!!!!
Author:  lluistar [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:10 am ]
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disconnect the fore stay and put the shrouds. now the front stay is too short. use a loop of rope to extend the it enough to connect it. You can also put a second chain plate on the fore stay.

Think that the fore stay does not take any load while sailing as the jib take all the effort.

I leave the boat on the beach all year around with the mast up. and i had a loop of rope extending the fore stay for moths without a problem.

Happy sailing.
Author:  mmiller [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:58 am ]
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I assume you have attached the shrouds at the very top? Replace the forestay too? Shrouds are shorter and forestays are longer since 1982.
Author:  sgtpepperoni00 [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Still Not Working!
Ok. So i measured my new rigging. And my old rigging. It appears that my old rigging is reaaally old. Pre 82 or whatever.

The Old Shrouds//Forestay Length is: 19ft 2in.//17ft.
The New Shrouds/Forestay Lengths is: 19ft//17ft 6in.



So. Now i am having some major problems. Because of that 2 inch loss on the new shrouds, when i step up my mast the mast wont go all the way up. The shrouds are not long enough to let the ball on the bottom of the mast to fit into the part on the front crossbeam where the mast connects.
I thought maybe it was something on the boat preventing it, so i messed around with a few things, but nothing worked. So i put back on my old rigging and it went up fine. So its definitely the shorter length of the shrouds messing things up. :x :x !!!

What should i do now??? Should i get a longer, Maybe like 11 or 12 hole shroud adjuster? It seemed like if i was able to get the mast up all the way, the forestay would have no problem connecting to the bridles so im not worried about that
Author:  sgtpepperoni00 [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  still cant figure it out
Anybody???
Author:  Skipshot [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:14 pm ]
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Take your old shrouds and forestay to a rigging shop and have new ones made using the old lengths (West Marine is NOT recommended). You may pay more than stock Hobie parts, but if the old lengths work then keep them.
Author:  algillen [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:27 pm ]
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I feel your pain... went through the same thing with my 1973 boat earlier this year. There a number of reasons why the new rigging does not work well with a boat of this vintage, at least that is what I found out.

I tried letting the mast rake further aft, and the side effect for me was that the rotation limiters on the mast base/mast step no longer met, so the mast was then able to rotate beyond the ~90 degree total movement it is supposed to have. To live with the additional rake, would have required that I replace the base and step, but I was concerned that other issues may come up (like I'd have to go to the low profile blocks on the main sheet).... so decided to stay as close to stock as I could. I just sail recreationally, so maximizing performance was not so important for me (and even if I wanted to be, I had no hope to be competitive with a heavy 1973 boat with tired sails).

What I ended up doing was to buy the longer (I believe they are 10-hole) stay adjusters (#20830020), which made up for most if not all of the difference on the shrouds. The new forestay simply would not work, and I ended up using my old one, and decided that a custom forestay was the only real option. But as noted by others here, the forestay only holds the mast up until the jib is raised, so I didn't fret about it, and used the old one all season long.

Hope this helps a little bit.
Author:  richandpat [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:46 am ]
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I had the same problem a few years ago when I replaced the shrouds on my 1979 H-16. I returned the (shorter) shrouds to our Hobie dealer and he ordered the longer shrouds from Murrays Marine in Carpenteria, CA.
Stick with the longer shrouds & shorter forestay & you won't have any problems stepping your mast & replacing other parts like mast base, shroud adjusters, etc.
Also, if you rake your mast back it lowers your boom & it becomes a little more difficult to get under it when you come about and go to the other side.
Keep it simple and you'll enjoy you boat more.
Good Luck!
Richard
Author:  sunjammers [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:49 am ]
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did you replace all of your wires or just the shrouds? You should have replaced everything, the shrouds are shorter forestay longer, it it shorter where it needs to be and longer somewhere else to make it all work. Rigged a 79 boat with new rigging this week.
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:50 pm ]
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sunjammers wrote:
did you replace all of your wires or just the shrouds? You should have replaced everything, the shrouds are shorter forestay longer, it it shorter where it needs to be and longer somewhere else to make it all work. Rigged a 79 boat with new rigging this week.


I do it all the time too with no problems. The new forestay is plenty long. Don't forget the pigtail and bridles. Buy them all as a set to avoid issues.

J
Author:  duke1021 [ Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:33 pm ]
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I had a problem with my forestay not being long enough and I realized that it was attached to the mast tang and not the JIB BLOCK ASSY part #20240001. After I reattached it correctly the forestay was long enough.
Author:  sgtpepperoni00 [ Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Extreme Mast Rake
Ok so... The rigging is all good and its the right length and everything fits.
I'm just a little worried about sailing her right now. Tell me if this is a problem.




With my old rigging. (longer shrouds/shorter forestay) the mast was barely raked back at all. The ball joint on the bottom of the mast fit almost all the way into the mast base. Maybe about a Centimeter or less gap inbetween the mast base and the bottom of the mast.
With my new rigging. (shorter shrouds//Long Forestay) this rigging makes the mast rake extremely aft.. The ball joint on the mast barely even goes into the mast base and the gap inbetween the flat part on the bottom of the mast and the mast base is 1cm or more. Just looking at it freaks me out. Is it safe??

With the old rigging the mast was raked so the top of the mast was about 1/3 way back over the trampoline. The new rigging causes the mast to be raked so far back that the top of the mast is probably over halfway back on the trampoline. Is that ok. Is the mast gonna fall over one day when im out there sailing or what...

I aint sailing that boat till i can get some piece of mind on that mast. If it is a problem i guess im gonna need to buy custom rigging. Does anyone want a completely new set of Black Coated Standing rigging. Not used once. I comes complete with shrouds/forestay/Bridles/Double Trap Wires/PigTail... All with black protective coating. They are stock parts from hobie i bought it in a kit for 175 will sells for 150. Its unused
Author:  richandpat [ Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:39 pm ]
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SgtPepper-Sorry to see that you're having so many difficulties & concerns with your new (older) Hobie 16.
You should: (1) visit your local Hobie Dealer, or (2) Have an experienced member of your local Fleet look things over & advise you. Since you're new at this & you have an older boat, it's a good idea to have someone look everything over & advise you. If these two options don't work out for you, then (3) call Murrays at 800-786-7245 & see what they advise. If you need to order custom rigging (longer shrouds, etc.) you'll probably have to go through them anyway.
You really don't want to replace the mast step & mast base unless it's absolutely necessary. It's expensive & it's a big job. From what I'm reading, your boat was just fine with the old rigging. My 1979 H16 is too. Whenever I replace the rigging I stick with the same size (longer) shrouds, etc.
Keep it simple & go out sailing & have fun.
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:37 am ]
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When you say the rake is half way back over the tramp, are you measuring it with the jib up? Do you have any pics? There should be no problem using the new rigging. Don't sell it yet, lets see what's going on.

Did you call the business you bought it from and see what they suggested?

If you can't post pics send it to me and I'll post them for you. Email below.
Author:  mmiller [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:29 pm ]
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Is that OK. Is the mast gonna fall over one day when I'm out there sailing or what...


The 16 sails best with a lot of rake aft. Main blocks vary in setup and size so, the rule of thumb is to rig... sheet hard and have minimal space between the boom blocks and traveler blocks.

If you can rig as described... you are good to go.

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The base ball rests in the cup whether the mast it straight up or well aft. The rig tension created by the jib halyard holds it in while sailing or capsized.
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