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| Author: | Nevek [ Fri May 28, 2010 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
Just remembered that last time I went sailing the main halyard cleat pulled out of the mast. I dont have the right size rivets with me so whats the best way to reattach it? Would they have the rivet at Lowes or Home Depot? Or can I use a screw? |
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| Author: | Nevek [ Fri May 28, 2010 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
I found the part number for the rivet I need, but that doesnt tell me what size rivet it is and I do not have a Hobie Dealer nearby. 8010121 |
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| Author: | JRagg [ Sat May 29, 2010 4:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
http://static.hobiecat.com/2010_archive/media/pdf/eSail_2010-11.pdf Or if you've got a hard copy catalog. At the back of the catalog there is a parts number/part listing. The one you're looking for is on page 61 of that pdf or page 65 of the actual catalog. 8010121 RIVET 6-10 PN HD Edit: Not sure what material that is. A lot of the rivets are monel. |
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| Author: | MBounds [ Sat May 29, 2010 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
The rivets are stainless steel or Monel. You cannot get them at any regular hardware store. They are also "long" rivets - about an inch long. You'll also need rivet sleeves to make them waterproof and a rivet gun with a small nosepeice to pull them. (Small nosepeice fits into the cleat rivet hole recess - otherwise the rivets won't seat completely.) |
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| Author: | Nevek [ Sat May 29, 2010 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
So a stainless steel screw and some 5200? |
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| Author: | MBounds [ Sat May 29, 2010 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
Keven wrote: So a stainless steel screw and some 5200? No, a stainless rivet and the proper tools. Sheet metal screws aren't appropriate for the sideways loads on the cleat. |
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| Author: | Sail Revolution [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJRygI_WgmY[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Af7Q58FRk[/youtube] |
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| Author: | 56kz2slow [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
MBounds wrote: Keven wrote: So a stainless steel screw and some 5200? No, a stainless rivet and the proper tools. Sheet metal screws aren't appropriate for the sideways loads on the cleat. I did not think there was any load on the main halyard cleat of an H16. I thought all the load was taken by the halyard hook at the top of the mast and the cleat was just to tie the halyard out of the way. I'm not suggesting to use screws, just trying to understand what load could be on the main halyard cleat. If it was the downhaul or jib halyard cleats, it would be another story. |
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| Author: | MBounds [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
56kz2slow wrote: MBounds wrote: Keven wrote: So a stainless steel screw and some 5200? No, a stainless rivet and the proper tools. Sheet metal screws aren't appropriate for the sideways loads on the cleat. I did not think there was any load on the main halyard cleat of an H16. I thought all the load was taken by the halyard hook at the top of the mast and the cleat was just to tie the halyard out of the way. I'm not suggesting to use screws, just trying to understand what load could be on the main halyard cleat. If it was the downhaul or jib halyard cleats, it would be another story. In order to keep the main halyard from slapping around while sailing, I put a fair amount of tension on it. Also, the main halyard cleat is a backup for the jib halyard cleat in case something happens to the jib halyard cleat. Since 2004 (when Hobie Cat started putting the jib halyard turning block on the front of the mast), you can cleat either halyard on either side of the mast. Most racers now cleat the jib halyard (Aussie style, using the adjustable system) on the starboard side of the mast so it's easily accessible to the crew when rounding a weather mark to port. |
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| Author: | Capt. Stu [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
I also don’t have a dealer near by however Fastnall (http://www.fastenal.com )had the Stainless rivets and a slightly modified rivet gun from lows will get you there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV8NFdwA ... grec_index ). You will need some man sized hand grip to set the rivet though. |
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| Author: | rattle 'n hum [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
56kz2slow wrote: I did not think there was any load on the main halyard cleat of an H16. I think the fact that you pulled yours out proves there is at least some load (sorry, couldn't resist)! As Matt says....do it right and do it once. I use a regular hand rivet gun.....it's a bear on SS, but doable for the few rivets I pull. Our local Worst Marine used to carry the proper SS rivets (before it closed). Not sure about the casings. For me, the real difficulty is getting the nose of the gun way down in that deep hole so everything's tight while you pull. Stacking washers didn't work well for me...I had to stack so many that the jaw of the gun wouldn't grip the mandrell of the rivet. If I have to do it again, I suppose I'll have to put my nose to the grindstone! Good luck with your project! |
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| Author: | 56kz2slow [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
rattle 'n hum wrote: 56kz2slow wrote: I did not think there was any load on the main halyard cleat of an H16. I think the fact that you pulled yours out proves there is at least some load (sorry, couldn't resist)! I'm not the original poster  . Ironically enough tough, I have to replace a cleat, but it's for the jib halyard and plan to do it properly. It was already gone from the mast when I bought the boat last year.I'm a firm believer in meeting or exceeding original specs. |
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| Author: | rattle 'n hum [ Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Best way to reattach main halyward cleat? |
56kz2slow wrote: I'm not the original poster Thanks for being so kind as you set me straight, Marc! (I usually check very carefully before making such a post!) 
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