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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
hey, i have never sailed before, and just acquired a free 1981 hobie 16, in decent quality. the hulls are in good shape, a little oxidation, but not too bad. when its wet it looks light blue. i cleaned the hulls, cleaned the tramp back to white, i tightened up the tramp, i failed to fix the mast base because i used aluminum rivets, need to drill those back out and use SS rivets. sails are decent, jib and main are faded a bit in places, dirty in places too. main has a few tears. i need to drill out and install the new rudders i have, they came with it, just not installed. so far i have not spent a dime on it, and all i have left is to re-fix the mast base, fix the sails, and install the new rudders, and oh yea, I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO SAIL, but not just to sail. i need to be able to sail it solo frequently. i can learn with a crew- my little sister, dad, and friends who dont know how to sail either. but i need to eventually be able to sail solo. i am almost 17 and weigh 100lbs so any help on righting it once it flips, learning to sail, ect would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
Congratulations on the new-to-you Boat! 100 lbs weigh solo is not a lot to hold the boat down, so stick with light winds. We have some basic sailing info here: http://www.hobiecat.com/experience/learn.html VIDEO CATAMARAN SAILING - DVD Part # 84430401 BOOK, CATAMARAN SAILING Part # 610 The Hobie Class Association has a great guide: Hobie University http://www.hcana.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ihca/downloads/hobieu/HobieU.pdf |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
could you please define what you are calling light winds, in mph please? also, about how fast do you think i could push the h16 in light winds, with very little chop (like a small bayou)? thanks |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
I'd stay in 10-12 knots or less for sure. At 12 knots the H16 is pretty powered up for a normal crew weight of 285 lbs. It just would be hard to hold down with just 100 lbs. Cat speed is generally 1 1/2 times the wind speed... to a max around 20 or a bit more when fully powered up. |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
it just occurred to me that i can borrow a weighted dive vest from my dad and that would help hold the boat down, but i would have to make sure that it didnt weigh so much that, despite wearing a pfd, it would still pull me down a bit. i would rather flip than die any day of the week lol. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
Don't wear weights. There are water vests that make more sense. Once in the water the added weight is neutral. Learn to use the trapeze for better hiking leverage. |
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| Author: | Nevek [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
Can you sail with the main reefed or no jib to begin? The jib helps alot for upwind but you might want to start without it until you get the hang of it. I took my boat out in 15-16kt winds, with three people (around 480 pounds) and was very surprised on how fast I went over. Capsizing along with a leak in the mast made for one hell of a day |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
i have no idea. i have never sailed before. by the way, do you know if Lowes or Home Depot sell stainless rivets? and i just used aluminum rivets on one of the cleats on the mast. i dont think the aluminum would be a problem on the cleat, since it doesnt really have a whole lot of stress on it. i would be more worried about the cleat itself breaking than i would the rivets. and i keep hearing a lot of people mentioning a roller-furler jib sail, including in manuals. my h16 is an 81 model, and does not have a roller-furler sail. im not exactly sure what difference this would make in stepping the mast, or learning to sail, or anything else for that matter. |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
okay how big of a deal does it make as to whether i use aluminum or SS rivets on the mast base? currently i have 8 aluminum rivets holding the mast base on. the ones i pulled out of it were aluminum, and i have seen almost an equal amount of people saying i need to use SS and people saying aluminum will work. how likely is it that the mast will fail because i used 8 aluminum rivets instead of 6 SS rivets? can anyone say from experience how crucial it is to use SS rivets? thanks for the help |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
oh yea, approximately how much weight (preferably a number estimate/range) is about the minimum needed to right a h16, and how much weight is needed to easily right it. since i weigh only 100lbs, i need to know how much a water bag would have to weigh for me to be able to right the boat. again, thanks! |
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| Author: | MBounds [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
You need stainless rivets - especially on the mast base and cleats. There are no aluminum rivets on the whole boat. Lowe's and Home Depot do not sell stainless rivets. At 100 lbs, you will not be able to right the boat - even with a righting bag. It takes ~ 285 lbs to right the boat. |
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| Author: | mwworlando [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
I agree, at 100 lbs you will be nowhere near the weight it takes to right a Hobie 16 (even with the righting aids). Better sail in light winds (less than 12 mph) and be ready to release the main or turn the boat into the wind if you start flying a hull. If you do sail alone make sure you stay in sight of others in case you do capsize (or have any other problems). With such little weight the boat should move along pretty good in light winds. Just be careful and always wear a PFD. Sailing alone can be a lot of fun but you just need to make sure help is around. |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
okay. if it takes 285lbs minimum i think i can make it work. this bag at murray's http://tinyurl.com/42f6lu has a 4:1 ratio block and tackle and the bag can supposedly hold up to 250lbs. i know i can make something similar, including a block and tackle system. also, i could make something like this http://tinyurl.com/2e35h74 that would be easier still. and if i used one of the pole type things as well as some type of bag system, i am pretty sure i could right it myself, or at the very least i would be able to keep it from going turtle long enough for someone to come help. i would just have to try it when i have someone to help in case i couldnt right it myself. |
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| Author: | monkeywithawrench [ Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
oh crap! i just decided that i really should look into the whole title thing for my boat. i thought that i didnt need a title for any un-powered (can be powered, but just not with a motor or engine) craft in the state of FLORIDA. well i just decided to double check, and discovered that that was true, unless that vessel just so happened to be 16 feet or longer... NOW WHAT? i got the boat free, so i dont even have a bill of sale, and the best i could do to try to contact the guy would be to drive around on that street(i dont remember the street, but my dad does) and hope i recognize the house. problem is the boat wasnt even his. it was his brother's boat and his brother owned a lot in Mobile that the boat was on, and he had been out of town for about 2 months and told his brother(the guy i got it from) to do something with is, so he told his brother(the actual owner) he was going to just give it away. anyways, i think i have a bit of a joker up my sleeve. i dont think that boat was ever titled in the first place, and since it came out of mobile(which is ironic because today i noticed a "Fort Walton Yacht Club" sticker on the trailer), Alabama was different laws about titles which means the boat probably didnt have a title because it didnt need one. can any of yall please please please help me out with this at all? any and all help is greatly appreciated!!! |
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| Author: | Tallguy1 [ Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: learning to sail on a h16-i weigh 100lbs, want to sail solo |
I would disagree about 285# being the minimum righting weight, fellows. I'm 225# and can get the 16 back up no problem. It's all about finesse, making sure you have the mast about 45 degrees into the wind and using the wind, even a light breeze, to push the water off the sail and pop it back up. However, 100# isn't even close, you should just recruit a buddy or two who wants to sail with you. It's more fun with someone to talk to also! Good luck! |
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