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| Author: | moab mark [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Righting Bucket |
I have been a lurker on this site for awhile. Great site. My question is on a righting bucket. I understand the concept and have been thinking about picking one up but have wonder when the boat has been righted how hard is it to get the bag emptied and back on the boat? Seems like you will have a very large anchor dragging behind? Where are most of you hauling the bag on the boat? Any suggestions would be appreciated. One other question, on the shroud extenders seems like it would be hard to pull the pin with the weight of the mast hanging on it? thanks Mark |
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| Author: | sunvista [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
A friend of mine has a righting bag for sale including the 4:1 block and line. I think he also has a tramp bag he clips to the bottom of the boat to stuff it all in. Not sure what he wants for it. Its all pretty new. Let me know if you are interested. |
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| Author: | SebringSixSpeed [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
It's not that hard to pull the pin on the solo righting system (shroud extender) When the boat is laying on it's side there is actually very little if any force on the upper shroud, the shroud should be completely limp at that point really. The only difficult thing about it is getting it hooked back up if the wind is really howling. 
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| Author: | richandpat [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
I've had the shroud extenders in the past, but fortunately I've never had to use them. I sail mostly in salt water and several months or a year later I tried working the quick release pin and it wouldn't release. It had some corrosion. I cleaned it and used a teflon product and it worked fine agan. A few months later it was stuck again. Same problem! I felt it was unreliable so I got a righting bucket. I always use my righting line if I sail with a crew, but I have used my righting bucket by myself and it worked great! The only problem I had was after righting my boat the bag was dragging in the water behind me like a large anchor. I'm by myself, so I'm busy sorting out lines and keeping the boat from going over again. I sailed slowly to the closest shore and beached the boat. I got the bucket, blocks and line back in and stored securely; ready for my next solo capsize. You may not have this corrosion problem with your quick release pins if you live inland and sail on fresh water lakes. You want your equipment to be 100% reliable! |
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| Author: | Rojoyinc [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
I've wondered about the bucket too. If it's acting as a drag break - one can't really haul it in either! hmmm? About righting - we have righted the boats if WINDY! we flipped it a couple weeks ago. Get this - we rotated the boat to get the bows pointing into the wind so the sail would help right it. (as per the guidelines) and Before we could get on the hulls- the boat righted itself! ! ! ! ! Was rather scarey! It lifted up - righted and sat down - we quickly grabbed it and jumpmed on. anyone else ever experence a SELF RIGHTING 16? YES was gusting to about 30 - with normal 18-20mph - righting is all in getting it turned into the wind.. (and having enough wind to help). |
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| Author: | richandpat [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
I've never experienced a SELF RIGHTING 16, but I have on several occasions experienced an EASY RIGHTING 16. Bows to the wind; sheet in the jib; uncleat the main so it'll stop acting like a giant spoon scooping up a ton of water. There's a good discussion on righting your Hobie on the Sailing Forum; about 10-11 down from the top called: "Mast into the wind? Bows into the wind 45 deg.? Righting? |
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| Author: | Rojoyinc [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
I've read that before and it's confusing. Mast into the wind - makes people think it means the TOP of the mast into the wind. Which isn't right. (had to experence it to do it right) really it's bows into the wind. And now that we do it right- I now get that "mast into the wind" means - the front edge of the mast, not the top. |
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| Author: | Cat Fever [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
Definitely bows into the wind or have the wind come in between the mast head and the bows (or half way between, what they mean by the 45 degrees). I did some damage when I first got the boat and pointed the mast head into the wind, plus could never right it that way. |
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| Author: | 56kz2slow [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
richandpat wrote: There's a good discussion on righting your Hobie on the Sailing Forum; about 10-11 down from the top called: "Mast into the wind? Bows into the wind 45 deg.? Righting? click here -->> "Mast into the wind? Bows into the wind 45 deg.? Righting? <<-- click here |
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| Author: | richandpat [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
Mast into the wind? Bows into the wind? 45 deg.? Righting ? Yes, It's on the "Sailing" Forum; about 15 posts down from the top. The last post was on Sept. 7 at 10:05 am. |
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| Author: | richandpat [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
Open Forum - Sailing Area of open discussion about Hobie Sailboats Sorry! Not "Sailing", but "Open Forum - Sailing" |
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| Author: | 56kz2slow [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
My previous post is a hyperlink, click on it. I fixed it to make it more obvious. |
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| Author: | srm [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
Rojoyinc wrote: anyone else ever experence a SELF RIGHTING 16? YES was gusting to about 30 - with normal 18-20mph - righting is all in getting it turned into the wind.. (and having enough wind to help). I experienced this about 5 years ago while racing my 17. Similar conditions - it was averaging upper 20's to around 30. Rounded A mark and took off downwind. Pitchpoled shortly thereafter. Before I could get to the boat, it self-righted and capsized. I swam to the boat and got on the hull and she wanted to self-right again. I untied the righting line and was actually leaning inboard (towards the mast) to keep the boat capsized until it spun into head-to-wind position. Then leaned back and popped it up. sm |
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| Author: | fastcat [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Righting Bucket |
I solo’d a H16 for years and capsized many times. I used a righting bucket with a 4:1 tackle. I stored the rolled up bucket with tackle inside to the underside of the tramp attached to the lacing holes with quick release buckles just behind the dolphin striker (the tackle was pre-attached to the dolphin striker and the bucket - nothing to lose). That way when the boat flipped I had access to the bucket from the underside of the boat (i.e., the place you want to be). When righted I stuffed the tackle back in the bucket and wedged it under one of the front hiking straps till I could restore it to under the tramp when back on shore. I never failed to solo right the H16. For my H17Sport the story is a little different, once having failed to right the boat alone. It was at 3 mile canyon in Columbia Gorge, in big wind (25+) and huge waves (4'-5'+). The boat pitch poled and immediately turtled, usually not a problem. But due to the large waves, I was not able to balance on the leeward hull long enough to get the boat on its side and was tiring quickly. Fortunately, a windsurfer came to the rescue. We tethered her board to the cat and with her added weight the boat was back up-right is seconds and we were both back sailing minutes later. 
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