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Author:  cosmicbud [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

I just bought a delrin mast bearing and it has a one eighth inch nub of plastic on the bottom. Does this need to be cut off before installation, or will it mash against the dolphin striker upright?

Author:  mmiller [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

The nub is supposed to fit into a hole drilled in the post. It was a "chip keeper" idea. You can drill the hole or cut off the nub.

Author:  sunvista [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

Probably a good idea to keep it. I've has these bushings flatten and squeeze right out of the base.

Author:  mmiller [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

The nub idea is OK... but, we have a better solution since 2004 by drilling small holes into the cup. The teflon chips squeeze into the holes under load and lock in place. No more squeezed chips.

The "Chip Keeper"

Author:  sunvista [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

mmiller wrote:
The nub idea is OK... but, we have a better solution since 2004 by drilling small holes into the cup. The teflon chips squeeze into the holes under load and lock in place. No more squeezed chips.

The "Chip Keeper"
Can I drill into the cup on an older boat or is that a little risky? How deep to drill? Are those white discs teflon or nylon?

Author:  SebringSixSpeed [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

I use the delrin chip with the nub (which I drilled the hole for) and it makes alot of squeeking noise as the rig flexes and when the mast rotates. Does the teflon chip make noise?

Author:  mmiller [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

Teflon is the stock original and is perfectly quiet.

Yes, you can drill these holes yourself. I am sure there was a write up about the idea... I'll look again.

Author:  mmiller [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

From a report I wrote for the class news in 2004

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Several innovations on the boats supplied for the 2004 Hobie 16 Worlds have become standard equipment with all new Hobie 16’s. The biggest change is the new mast step casting and mast base. These new parts are an answer to several long running issues on the 16. We have long known that the rotation stops on the Hobie 16 will wear over time and the mast bearing chip can slip out of place. These were critical problems at the 2002 Hobie 16 Worlds in Neumea. To handle the high winds, light crews were raking back and leaving the rig loose to allow the mast to lean aft and leeward to de-power as much as possible. This caused the mast rotation stops to prematurely wear and over-ride the rotation stops. The mast chips were also squirting out of place causing the beach teams to drop masts and re-install the chips between races. These two issues had been the driving force behind an attempt at changing the class rules to allow a mast rotation control arm and possibly change the whole system to something like the Hobie 17/20. To correct these issues and keep the basic design intact, Hobie Cat USA re-engineered the mast rotation stops and added a new feature; we call a “chip keeper”, inside the step cup.

The “chip keeper” was devised by Dan Ketterman (Hobie Cat Engineer). Dan had done this to his own Hobie 16 some time ago, so he had years of testing completed already. He just hadn’t shared that trick with us until now! The chip keeper is a series of shallow holes drilled (molded) into the mast step cup. These holes are just inside the radius of the mast chip. When the mast chip is placed in the cup and the mast is raised into position, the mast base squishes the Teflon chip into the shallow detents. This effectively “locks” the chip in place. The “chip keeper” system is working so well that it now can be somewhat difficult to remove the chip from the cup. Some sailors say they trailer with the chip in place and never loose it. Dan’s old boat has been here at Hobie Cat for years… and the chip was in place. At the 2004 Hobie 16 World Championships, we found that the chips stay in place perfectly… never squeeze out of place and wear more evenly. After 10 days of racing and what was considered a years worth of use on each boat, we never replaced a mast chip and found them to be centered in the cup, as they were when the boats were rigged. They were well worn, but formed evenly in the cup.

Also at the Worlds, our new mast rotation stops performed very well. The stops are now taller and thicker. They were also re-oriented to enable the mast base and step rotation stops, contact points, to align better. This was done considering current mast rake thinking. (The last change to the stops was done in 1982) After the event, the stops showed minimal wear. While the conditions were not as windy as Neumea, the amount of sailing time and water conditions were more intense. Not once during the event was the mast rotation or bearing system an issue. This was great for the sailors and the beach inspection and repair teams! It is also great for the Hobie 16 class as there is no need to change the bearing system or add rotation control systems. This was a running-change in Hobie 16 production last winter, many boats have been sold with these new features, but some may still have the original parts. These new parts are fully compatible with older Hobie 16s and can be purchased through a Hobie Cat dealer. There will be some inventory of the older parts in circulation for some time to come, so be sure you ask for the latest stuff when ordering from a dealer.


The holes are + - 1/8" in diameter and 1/8" deep. 6 Holes.

Author:  Rojoyinc [ Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

shallow holes? how shallow?
16th? 8th? 1/4?
Size of holes? (what drill bit?) thin? 1/8th?)? thinner?

Author:  J_Eaton [ Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

Rojoyinc wrote:
shallow holes? how shallow?
16th? 8th? 1/4?
Size of holes? (what drill bit?) thin? 1/8th?)? thinner?
mmiller wrote:
The holes are + - 1/8" in diameter and 1/8" deep. 6 Holes.

Author:  MBounds [ Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hobie 16 Delrin Mast Step Bearing

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