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Well I do like this idea for the jib halyard ! By cam jaw do you mean cam cleat? or V jam cleat? Can you give me a model #? (prolly Harken right?)

Also if I install the Power Pac on my boat, is it still class legal? I know the 6:1 downhaul is legal, but is the other stuff?

Thx for your help Matt ! I was telling my daughter today how unusual it is to be able to get answers on the web directly from a company representative.

Thx again - Doug

probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore

phatcat wrote:

probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore

Its a cam cleat that mounts on the mast. The whole mess is class legal.
What might not be class legal is if you are using the dyneema jib halyard I'd splice in a chunk of cover where the cleat bites. The rules don't allow tapered anything, but you can splice with out tapering

s30series wrote:

phatcat wrote:

probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore

I did a quick search after reading your post and I found that quite a few ppl don't like the new high tech line!

Quite a few people are fools too. They just don't know how to use it, and it has a lot of uses. Its slippery and really isn't suitable for anything that has to be cleated with out a cover on it. Its stronger than wire of the same diameter

Author:	phatcat [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:15 am ]
Post subject:	6:1 downhaul
Is the 6:1 downhaul stock for the 2010 H16? Reason being is that I just bought a 2010 and it didn't have have one. All the brochures show it having it. On a related note - is the 2:1 outhaul needed? I am considering the 'Power Pac' listed in the accessories catalogue.

Author:	mmiller [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
2:1 on the outhaul is not needed in my opinion. This option was added for youth sailors primarily. 6:1 downhaul is not intended as a standard feature.

Author:	phatcat [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
Thx Matt - 1st new boat in ~ 20yrs and I want it to have all the toys !

Author:	mmiller [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
I do recommend 6:1 downhaul though. That is pretty slick. Really only important if you are racing though.

Author:	s30series [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
get the downhaul, or make your own. West Marine sells ronstan tripples for cheap, then just get the line, and the class approved attachment (which is the eye/loop thing on the traveler car for the main) Makes a HUGE difference adjusting the downhaul. You can really get it tight. Also add the gooseneck, and the downhaul stickers to each side of the track so you're consistant.

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Author:	phatcat [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
OK - `nuther question ! The Parts and Accessories catalogue lists as a component of the H16 Power Pac `a Jib halyard upgrade`. What is this and what does it do? (part #2091) As far as racing is concerned - I`m not too too serious - but we have races on our lake during the summer and there are 6-8 H16s out consistently, and I`d like to make a good showing !

Author:	mmiller [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
The jib Halyard upgrade makes halyard tension adjustments easier. It adds a cam jaw set above the horn cleat so you can slip the line to a specific adjustment point... then cleat at the horn for backup.

Author:	phatcat [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
Well I do like this idea for the jib halyard ! By cam jaw do you mean cam cleat? or V jam cleat? Can you give me a model #? (prolly Harken right?) Also if I install the Power Pac on my boat, is it still class legal? I know the 6:1 downhaul is legal, but is the other stuff? Thx for your help Matt ! I was telling my daughter today how unusual it is to be able to get answers on the web directly from a company representative.

Author:	s30series [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
phatcat wrote: Well I do like this idea for the jib halyard ! By cam jaw do you mean cam cleat? or V jam cleat? Can you give me a model #? (prolly Harken right?) Also if I install the Power Pac on my boat, is it still class legal? I know the 6:1 downhaul is legal, but is the other stuff? Thx for your help Matt ! I was telling my daughter today how unusual it is to be able to get answers on the web directly from a company representative. Thx again - Doug probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore

Author:	phatcat [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
s30series wrote: probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore That is a problem - I also found that as the lines age they get harder and don't bite as well...

Author:	Karl Brogger [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
s30series wrote: phatcat wrote: Well I do like this idea for the jib halyard ! By cam jaw do you mean cam cleat? or V jam cleat? Can you give me a model #? (prolly Harken right?) Also if I install the Power Pac on my boat, is it still class legal? I know the 6:1 downhaul is legal, but is the other stuff? Thx for your help Matt ! I was telling my daughter today how unusual it is to be able to get answers on the web directly from a company representative. Thx again - Doug probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore Its a cam cleat that mounts on the mast. The whole mess is class legal. What might not be class legal is if you are using the dyneema jib halyard I'd splice in a chunk of cover where the cleat bites. The rules don't allow tapered anything, but you can splice with out tapering

Author:	phatcat [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
Karl Brogger wrote: Its a cam cleat that mounts on the mast. The whole mess is class legal. What might not be class legal is if you are using the dyneema jib halyard I'd splice in a chunk of cover where the cleat bites. The rules don't allow tapered anything, but you can splice with out tapering Thx for the heads up Karl ! I did a quick search after reading your post and I found that quite a few ppl don't like the new high tech line ! viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13130&view=next I think I'll prolly have to eyeball a few of these things before I decide on a route to follow...

Author:	s30series [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
Karl Brogger wrote: s30series wrote: phatcat wrote: Well I do like this idea for the jib halyard ! By cam jaw do you mean cam cleat? or V jam cleat? Can you give me a model #? (prolly Harken right?) Also if I install the Power Pac on my boat, is it still class legal? I know the 6:1 downhaul is legal, but is the other stuff? Thx for your help Matt ! I was telling my daughter today how unusual it is to be able to get answers on the web directly from a company representative. Thx again - Doug probbaly just a harken/ronstan jam cleat...which reminds me to get one for the outhaul as well, because the old stock "v" cleat isn't cutting it anymore Its a cam cleat that mounts on the mast. The whole mess is class legal. What might not be class legal is if you are using the dyneema jib halyard I'd splice in a chunk of cover where the cleat bites. The rules don't allow tapered anything, but you can splice with out tapering i stand corrected. I just got back from west marine as well with two jam cleats. I'll go ahead and install the one on the boom for the outhaul, but as for the jib halard, I'd like to see a picture of it installed! The cam base if flat, mast is curved....does it go towards the back (near the track) on the flat section?

Author:	Karl Brogger [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
phatcat wrote: I did a quick search after reading your post and I found that quite a few ppl don't like the new high tech line! Quite a few people are fools too. They just don't know how to use it, and it has a lot of uses. Its slippery and really isn't suitable for anything that has to be cleated with out a cover on it. Its stronger than wire of the same diameter. My boat its used for the traplines, trap return lines, spin pole bridle, the line to pre-bend the spinnaker pole, the first couple of cascades in the downhaul, tackline, half of the spinnaker halyard, and the tapered part of the mainsheet. Plus a hole mess of little bits for making loops. Plus its easy to splice, (except the Amsteel 8 braid, that stuff doesn't open up), tying knots can drastically reduce the strength of any line, where if you can splice a loop you won't lose as much of the strength.

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Author:	phatcat [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 6:1 downhaul
Karl Brogger wrote: Quite a few people are fools too. They just don't know how to use it, and it has a lot of uses. Its slippery and really isn't suitable for anything that has to be cleated with out a cover on it. Its stronger than wire of the same diameter Not a man to pull punches I see. However it does make sense to use it as a jib halyard in the H16 because the halyard is also being used as a forestay. Not ever owning a Hobie before I found this setup to be quite perplexing - as in why would they ever do this? My experience has been in mono hulled daysailers and small 20' -30' keelboats, so it would be interesting to find out what the thought process was when they decided on this route. I do like the tramp lacing idea - if the qualities of this material is strength and slipperiness then it would fit an application like this. I wonder how it responds to crimping and chafing...