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Night at the improv
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Author:  56kz2slow [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Night at the improv
So I got new shrouds for my vintage 16 and knew I would have to deal with the forestay. I wrongly assumed a few D rings would give me what is missing. Wrong I was.

So in order to rig the mast, I cut the safety chain on the trailer to fill the 8" gap. By the time we were ready to hoist the sails, the wind died.

I keep the boat mast up, so I'll drop the mast when I get 2 more chain plates or a new forrstay.
Author:  annacat [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
I'm looking at replacing my wires soon.. what is the deal with your forestay?
Mine is an 87'..

You gotta hate it when the wind is dying down whilst rigging. My last three trips have ended with no sailing for wind reasons. We've had a set of evening thunderstorms hitting like clockwork each evening for the past week. It has been either 5 mph winds - or lightening, hail & squalls.

This is my first season of sailing & I'm starting to wonder if this is normal "downtime" during summer storm season. As for this week, I'm thinking about mixing in some kayaking until the weather improves.
Author:  Skipshot [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
Beware - it looks like you have the original sails and the old jib won't work with the new shorter shroud lengths. The leech will flutter all over the place because it's not cut for the increased mast rake. You'll need to get new shrouds made to the old shroud lengths if you want to keep the old sails.

To annacat: Hobie has shortened the shroud lengths and lengthened the forestay so the mast may be raked further aft. Raking the mast aft improves pointing and lessens a 16's tendency to pitchpole. I don't know how the new standing rigging will affect the sails of an '87 boat, but it certainly will affect the sails from the early 80's.
Author:  56kz2slow [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
Why can't I put the tack higher on the chainplates(I need 2). For the shrouds, I might swap my 7 hole chainplates for 10 holr ones.
Author:  Skipshot [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
56kz2slow wrote:
Why can't I put the tack higher on the chainplates(I need 2). For the shrouds, I might swap my 7 hole chainplates for 10 holr ones.

You can, but then you have chainplate city on the bridle and it doesn't solve your fluttering jib problem, which is your jib isn't cut for increased mast rake (fluttering leech). I was in the same boat as you with my '81 16 with original sails on new standing rigging, so I got rigging made to the original lengths, then the jib blew out anyway (fluttering leech) and needed a new one. I ordered a new jib from Hobie which is cut for the increased mast rake and put the new length shrouds back on.

So if you think you need new sails and want to order them from Hobie then you should get new rigging, too. If you need new rigging and want to keep the old sails then have the rigging made to the lengths on your boat now.
Author:  56kz2slow [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
Skipshot wrote:
So if you think you need new sails and want to order them from Hobie then you should get new rigging, too. If you need new rigging and want to keep the old sails then have the rigging made to the lengths on your boat now.

Well, I have the new shrouds already and the sail repaired by a loft. Would have been awful nice for the dealer to tell me that when I oedered the shrouds, he knew the year of my boat.

What is the difference in length? If just a couple of inches, couldn't I solve this with a longer chainplate for the shrouds?

I sailed it yesterday with regular chain as a forestay extension until I get back from vacation and get what I need to set it properly. I hookdd the jib on the 1st link below the old forestay. I was able to sheet in full with a couple of inches to spare before going block to block and there was no fluttering. I don't understand how it can flutter if I can sheet in full before going block to block.
Author:  Skipshot [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
Color me wrong, then. If it works then do it.
Author:  nO0b [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
56kz2slow wrote:
What is the difference in length?


http://2010.archive.hobiecat.com/suppor ... eGuide.pdf :roll:
Author:  56kz2slow [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
nO0b wrote:
56kz2slow wrote:
What is the difference in length?


http://2010.archive.hobiecat.com/suppor ... eGuide.pdf :roll:

So .75 in. diff in the shrouds. Can that make
6" diff for the forestay?
Author:  annacat [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Night at the improv
56kz..

I think you just helped solve a mystery with my sails. My boat is an 87'.. my sails are 95 del mar Hobie sails. I have substancial rake at the second hole from the bottom. Looking at the wire guide.. there is a (4/95) noted out beside the shroud lengths on older Hobies. I'm guessing that was the year when the shrouds were changed by Hobie. It would also explain why my 87' is raked and has 95' sails.

Do you think that 95' is the year change on the shrouds? If so, I would need to order the new shrouds if my sails & wires have already been replaced. It would also rule out me buying old jibs as spares. Were the jibs cut differently after 95'?? How about the main??

Just my opinion.. but yes... I do think .75" could create a major shift up at the tang. I hope I am not stepping too far into your post with these questions. I'm very curious to understand this as well.

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