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| Author: | irvbob123 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
1- I have 2 stop sleeves on my main sail halyard. One holds the main when it is hoisted, what is the second one for? 2- I have a 6 inch bare stainless steel cable AND a white plastic coated 16 inch cable on my forestay connected from the mast tang to the jib forestay, where it connects to the pulley. The mast is raked WAY TOO far aft. Which one am I supposed to be using? 3- What hole do YOU use on the side stay 7 hole adjusters when setting the mast up? 4- I have the old model factory spring set up on the jib cleats and they do not release for beans. There is an adjustable pin that you tie the job sheet to, which way do I set it up to make release of the jib easier and consistent? That's about it. Thanks ! I am the guy who built the anti-pitch pole hydrofoils out of a used snow board. They look ridiculously huge and I never got a chance to use them in my one day sailing extravaganzah in Wisconsin this past week. Never got the wind to drive the hulls down (never even got them wet!) so I can't really say if they are effective. |
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| Author: | rattle 'n hum [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
1. The second one works just like the first when the main is reefed. 2. The correct upper forestay is about six inches long. Don't know what you've got going on there, maybe the PO was trying to compensate for something else that's wrong? 3. As low as possible and still not quite go block to block when the rig is fully tensioned and you sheet the main hard. 4. I'm 50% sure that the answer is up, but then it probably won't cleat in for beans....those things really suck! |
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| Author: | hrtsailor [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
If you have the original sail, it will have a set of grommets parallel to the boom and about 3' above it. Those are the reef points. If it is a newer sail, it won't have reef points. That is because of the comptip mast which came out in '85. Hobie eliminated the longer wire in the halyard to keep the top of the mast electrically insulated so they eliminated reefing. |
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| Author: | DavidBell47 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
4. How large is your jib sheet ??? If it's too large, that might contribute !!! |
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| Author: | wildlatin [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
irvbob123 wrote: ... 4- I have the old model factory spring set up on the jib cleats and they do not release for beans. There is an adjustable pin that you tie the job sheet to, which way do I set it up to make release of the jib easier and consistent? ... I am the guy who built the anti-pitch pole hydrofoils out of a used snow board. They look ridiculously huge and I never got a chance to use them in my one day sailing extravaganzah in Wisconsin this past week. Never got the wind to drive the hulls down (never even got them wet!) so I can't really say if they are effective. I have those same jib blocks and regardless of where the pin is set the blocks still pull too low to allow the down release from the cleat. The consensus is to buy the new design blocks (which release up I believe) but... I can't afford new hardware right now and have a partial solution. Take a look here..https://picasaweb.google.com/112988296469270089360/20110820?authkey=Gv1sRgCMXo0syFzO6VWg The split pvc pipe 'collars' seem to hold the blocks more upright and allow sheet release. The blocks can pivot but it remains to be seen if this modification will hold up to higher jib loads. I am using a tapered jib sheet and the blocks seem to like it better (as someone mentioned). Also, I am interested in your foil experiment- when you actually try them make sure to take a picture? I made my own of 1/8" aluminum plate and they also look huge... as you can see. |
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| Author: | Jman6631 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
Hey wildlatin, those foils look good; Why the double bridle set up, AND, how did you attach the screws on the lower gudgeon? |
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| Author: | wildlatin [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
Jman6631 wrote: Hey wildlatin, those foils look good; Why the double bridle set up, AND, how did you get attach the screws on the lower gudgeon? Thanks! I was going to anodize them (baby blue?) if they work well enough to justify the work... That remains to be seen. Extra bridal is part of my reacher/genoa/screetcher foresail support. Not sure what you mean on the 'lower gudgeon' screws... but the foils are attached via a single 2"x1/4 ss screw through the lip of the bow with multiple ss fender washers and self-locking nuts holding the foil plate. The foils are cut so that they 'sit' on the hull sidewall and cannot move upward- because of the increasing hull cross section. They are pulled upward and snug by a bungie across the top of the hull. |
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| Author: | DavidBell47 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
wildlatin wrote: irvbob123 wrote: ... 4- I have the old model factory spring set up on the jib cleats and they do not release for beans. There is an adjustable pin that you tie the job sheet to, which way do I set it up to make release of the jib easier and consistent? ... I am the guy who built the anti-pitch pole hydrofoils out of a used snow board. They look ridiculously huge and I never got a chance to use them in my one day sailing extravaganzah in Wisconsin this past week. Never got the wind to drive the hulls down (never even got them wet!) so I can't really say if they are effective. I have those same jib blocks and regardless of where the pin is set the blocks still pull too low to allow the down release from the cleat. The consensus is to buy the new design blocks (which release up I believe) but... I can't afford . That's exactly what I did and it solved the problem. Sailing solo most of the time, it's really important that boat components function when you ask them to. |
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| Author: | Jman6631 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
I'm seeing a lower gudgeon fitting on the topsides that is shackled to your double bridle set up, at least that's what that fitting looks like to me. |
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| Author: | wildlatin [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
Jman6631 wrote: I'm seeing a lower gudgeon fitting on the topsides that is shackled to your double bridle set up, at least that's what that fitting looks like to me. Oh, that is the type of (older) bridle connection which was standard on H14s... maybe 4 screws are better than one? Anyway, it gave room for front hull connect of foils vs. the H16 front connection. I forgot its resemblance to the lower gudgeon but it probably is the same hardware... The bridle snap shackles are pricey but convenient- though many purists would never consider them for standing rigging, I suppose something else would fail before they gave way. |
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| Author: | Jman6631 [ Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
Ahhh, that's interesting. I've never seen the H14 setup so I wasn't sure if it was a modification or not. If it was a mod then I was curious what those screws were fixed into. Thanks for the explanation! BTW your picassa link doesn't seem to be working anymore. |
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| Author: | wildlatin [ Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
Jman6631 wrote: BTW your picassa link doesn't seem to be working anymore. https://picasaweb.google.com/WildLatin/BoatExamples?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOL20MOry-fbvgE&feat=directlink Its kinda dumb that you cannot edit some album properties- like name- without breaking Picassa links... |
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| Author: | irvbob123 [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More Newby Questions on/for a 1980 H-16 |
The picture of the ones I built are on an earlier H-16 post I made entitled "Sail Ye Forth and Pitchpole No More". I can't seem to copy it and paste it here. They are really similar to yours only a little larger and get tied to the hulls with 3 ropes. Just saw the Hobie rendition at a reservoir nearby and I had to laugh!!! It looks big in the catalog but really tiny in person. Mine are 3 1/2 times the surface area and also maintain the same angle relative to the lip of the hull. Not heading back to Wisconsin this year so it won't be until 2012 that I try them out. Yours look like they are perfect and big enough to float the tip of the hull when it tries to play submarine! Thanks for sharing them with us! |
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