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Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Class legal sails and tramp (not hobie brand)??
Hi, I was thinking of making my own main an jib from a sailrite kit which is made for the H16 and up to same specs (luff leech foot, panels weight all!) as the original. Read the class rules and couldnt find any info on using other sails that arent the "hobie brand ones".

The idea is to save $$ not having to pay 700$ for a main and who knows how much the jib and learn sailmaking at the same time.

Another issue is the tramp....the same/exact tramp material is also sold by the yard...same idea..save $$$ and learn....420$$ for a new one + shipping!

Ill be doing this on spare time at a friend's sail loft locally.

What does the rule book say about this?

thanks!
Author:  sunjammers [ Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:23 am ]
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gotta be Hobie all away around, class rules.
Author:  ozglxvr6 [ Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:31 am ]
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sunjammers wrote:
gotta be Hobie all away around, class rules.


...and this is why I won't even consider getting into Hobie Class racing, even though I would like to.
Author:  Hammond [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:58 pm ]
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I used to sail in a class that allowed open sail loft access (prindle). You had to measure sails at every regatta, and pay through the nose for each year's sail/batten/rig improvement if you expected to remain competitive.

Additionally, what happened to this class? It is gone because there was no money to support it. True one design is where it is at. If it cost a few bucks up front to support the class, then that is the price we all have to pay to keep this great thing going. Sail a well run regatta once any you will not think twice about paying to keep it fair.

If you choose not to race, go ahead and buy off label, but don't wine when the people who have paid the price won't let you play with them...

Trust me, it is far cheaper in the long run to stay one design.
Author:  t page [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:49 pm ]
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used sails are a great way to go. If there are some serious racers in your area they may change sails on a regular basis. You can proably buy a used set for half or less than the price of new. These sails will work great for you as you learn to make the boat go. Every year at 16 nationals they have some sail that are just barley used and sell for a discount but again wait until your skills improve to spend a lot of money.

three to five year old sails will work great for you and save you money.

used tramps can be had also and patched ones work ok as well again same advice as before. go used and save your money.

just my two cents worth :D
Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:12 am ]
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I have a used tramp the one that came with it orignal from 1987 I suppose. Some minor tears on it and straps are gone...need to sew new ones and thats it....
I have also located the exact same material distributor localy (same mess)...and can make a replica of it at a friends sail loft....

Dont see any markings on the original that say "Hobie" anywhere....

Do the new mess tramps have any kind of brand logo on them?

thanks!
Author:  ozglxvr6 [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:37 am ]
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Hammond wrote:
I used to sail in a class that allowed open sail loft access (prindle). You had to measure sails at every regatta, and pay through the nose for each year's sail/batten/rig improvement if you expected to remain competitive.

Additionally, what happened to this class? It is gone because there was no money to support it. True one design is where it is at. If it cost a few bucks up front to support the class, then that is the price we all have to pay to keep this great thing going. Sail a well run regatta once any you will not think twice about paying to keep it fair.

If you choose not to race, go ahead and buy off label, but don't wine when the people who have paid the price won't let you play with them...

Trust me, it is far cheaper in the long run to stay one design.


Yes, but how can someone be at an advantage/disadvantage with an aftermarket tramp???
Author:  mmiller [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Advantage
Weight, stiffness are a couple of possible factors.
Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:57 pm ]
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Ok but are there any logos sewn into the new tramps or sails that identify that they were made by hobie cat?

My tramp doesnt have any markings and the sails Im not sure other than the "H" sticker near the head, batten protectors and head/clew plates that may also have an "H"...
Author:  Hammond [ Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:36 pm ]
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The Hobie Tramps are heat welded and not sewn (except hiking straps).

I have been down both of these paths. Trust me as someone who has been there. My days of racing Prindles was far more expensive than the Hobie racing ever was. This was especially true for jibs. The full battens make the Hobie jib stable and keeps them from blowing out.

Now that the sails are cut by computers, the shape is consistant and far better than it was when cut by hand. A serious racer borrowed my stock H-20 sail to race the nationals. He had tried to gain an edge by recutting the sail and going with an after market "race" batten. His "tuned" sail didn't work. The stock sails and batten were faster. He told me his success at the nationals was due to my sail. Kind of funny isn't it? One design forces us to race with better skills, not deeper pockets or this weeks' faster design.
Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:49 pm ]
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The idea is not to be faster its just to save $$ not having to spend $1,300 on a set of sails and learn some sailmaking.

Ok then Ill try making sails for my JY15 which is not raced in any class now days.

What about the H16 mess tramp which is sewn, can it be home made?

thanks!
Author:  The Dog [ Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:49 pm ]
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ozglxvr6 wrote:
sunjammers wrote:
gotta be Hobie all away around, class rules.


...and this is why I won't even consider getting into Hobie Class racing, even though I would like to.


You want "no rules"? Get into windsurf racing. But plan on spending a ton of cash. Because no rules means gear wars, yearly board changes, new suit of sails, etc.... I spend way more per year on windsurfing than I ever spent per year on my H-17 (including the cost of buying the boat). And I'm not even a serious racer.

The Hobie Sail only class rule isn't about preventing you from using a cheap sail... It's about preventing guys with deep pockets from using $3k custom foils made out of kevlar or cuben fiber.

The reality is that if you use a homemade sail, you probably won't make the podium anyway.

Brian C
Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:00 pm ]
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Ok then lets see if I get into making a set for my JY and if they turn out nice Ill make a set for my H16 to use recreationaly, Ill save the Hobie brand ones for class racing!

What about the mess tramp??? Dont see any rules on that!
Author:  mmiller [ Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Class Rules
Class Rules: http://www.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ih ... 060401.pdf

Rule 16.5

Rule 4 "Loopholes"

Rule 1 "One-Design Class Racing"
Author:  ALEXSAILS [ Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:12 pm ]
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Oops! thanks!, Ill just stick to the rules and not get into any trouble...
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