2140 & 2141 are carbo ratchet with "manual" switching
2629 & 2630 are carbo Ratchamatic (TM)...compare the price
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| Author: | johnflem [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | H16 carbo lower block |
I am converting my H16 to 6:1. I already have the Harken 40mm carbo triple upper. Any problem using a 57mm carbo ratcheting triple lower? I believe the Harken part number is H2141. |
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| Author: | Big Jib & the Uni's [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:08 pm ] |
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Only problem is switching the rachet on and off...you'll need to carry something like a screwdriver. Save a few bucks and buy the standard lower blocks...you'll never know the difference. |
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| Author: | The Dog [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:08 pm ] |
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The 2141 is a nice block and will work fine. You may find that 3/8" mainsheet doesn't feed as smoothly out of a 40mm block as it does a 57mm block. But it will fit. Brian C |
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| Author: | johnflem [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:41 am ] |
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It looks like I can actually get the carbo lower block cheaper than the standard H194, but I don't want to get the carbo if I need to use a screw driver to turn the ratchet off! Thanks for your advice! |
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| Author: | tjp [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:50 am ] |
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The carbo lowers have an auto-ratchet (Ratchematic(R) or something). The screwdriver just adjusts the tension at which the ratchet kicks in. So, when you blow the sheet, the ratchet turns off automatically, and when you sheet in again, the tension re-engages the ratchet. |
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| Author: | Big Jib & the Uni's [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:54 am ] |
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2140 & 2141 are carbo ratchet with "manual" switching 2629 & 2630 are carbo Ratchamatic (TM)...compare the price
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| Author: | tjp [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:55 am ] |
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Ah, so the manual ratchets you still have to use a screwdriver? That sounds like poor design. |
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| Author: | Big Jib & the Uni's [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:29 am ] |
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tjp wrote: Ah, so the manual ratchets you still have to use a screwdriver? That sounds like poor design.
Knowing Harken they'll probably fix it (modify) some day. Easy to change/switch in single ratchet config but when you add one block on each side??? Carbo's were born from the super weight sensitive monohull ranks and boats where it's easy to stow, and use, tools. A few ounces on a fast cat will make no difference, where-as changing out all the many blocks on a big boat possibly make tenths of a knot advantage, and people with BIG money are willing to buy it. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | H194 or carbo lower? |
The jaw angle adjustment in the carbo lower is a PITA. I prefer the H194 so I can control when the ratchet is on or off. Simple lever on the side. |
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| Author: | Karl Brogger [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H194 or carbo lower? |
mmiller wrote: The jaw angle adjustment in the carbo lower is a PITA.
And the angle is just wrong for a 14/16. Either can't cleat, or can't uncleat, there needs to be a setting in the middle. But the ratchet does work really nice. |
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| Author: | johnflem [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:59 pm ] |
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OK, you've convinced me. I'll get the H194. Thanks for you advice! |
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| Author: | HobieNewBee [ Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:28 am ] |
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Is the H2686 75mm to big or over kill for a 16? I have the old seaway and i want to go low profile to get a little more mast rake. |
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| Author: | Banzilla [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:02 am ] |
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HobieNewBee wrote: Is the H2686 75mm to big or over kill for a 16? I have the old seaway and i want to go low profile to get a little more mast rake.
You really only need the 57MM. I have the Ratchmatic and have found them to be a great setup. Once you get the right angle (2nd try) they work great. Also, they are not that hard to adjust contrary to popular belief. |
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| Author: | aschaffter [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:24 am ] |
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Banzilla wrote: HobieNewBee wrote: Is the H2686 75mm to big or over kill for a 16? I have the old seaway and i want to go low profile to get a little more mast rake. You really only need the 57MM. I have the Ratchmatic and have found them to be a great setup. Once you get the right angle (2nd try) they work great. Also, they are not that hard to adjust contrary to popular belief. I currently have an older Harken ratchet triple with the rope end attached to the eye above the cam for the low profile, but don't like the angle the rope exits- and I have the cam arm adjusted full down. I think the sheet pulls up on the cam too much so I am going to a Harken 2630 57mm Carbo/triple/ratchamatic with a becket to attach the end of the sheet to. Hopefully that will help with the angle. |
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