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Class legal H14 racing.
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Author:  jertemp1 [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:58 am ]
Post subject:  Class legal H14 racing.
I just bought an old H14 and want to fix'er up to be race legal. I have a H16 and have been racing for 3 years. When I cannot find crew I am damn fool enough to single hand my 16. Single handing is fine but strangely I only want to go out alone when the "dogs are blowin of the chains" and I constantly dump. I can right the 14 myself without a waterbag or shroud extensions.

Question: Does everybody get the Hobie Hotline? Have you seen the front cover with Herb James sailing a H14? Sept/Oct 07. What the heck is going on with his boat? Things I notice include the turbo wire under the tramp, what appears to be the main halyard (all 400 ft of it) wound around the dolphin striker, 6:1 downhaul, a mast rotation bar, and what appears to be a rake adjustment throught the block normally used for the jib furler. Is all this class legal? Also what is the setup for? Does he have the shroud set as long as possible to let the mast come forward for downwind sailing and he needs the main halyard wound around the dolphin striker to keep it in the mast base when he rakes it back when going to the wind?? He would have a nice floppy wave/chop absorbing loose rig then. He is adjusting the rake by tensioning the forestay/bridal? A mast rotation bar is legal on a H14? Final question, is the 6 to 1 approved for a H14? :?

BTW, you look great Herb, happy sailing.

Jerry
Author:  tjp [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Class legal H14 racing.
jertemp1 wrote:
...Single handing is fine but strangely I only want to go out alone when the "dogs are blowin of the chains" and I constantly dump...


So Jerry, how was Westport in those 8-10 seas and 20 mph winds? :)

Most of your questions can be answered by looking at the class rules: http://www.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ih ... 070523.pdf
Author:  MBounds [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:50 am ]
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Let's try this stuff in order:

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The Turbo wire under the tramp

Herb sails the boat "both ways" and he probably forgot to undo the wire, or just didn't bother. It doesn't do anything but add weight when sailing in the "classic 14" mode.

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main halyard (all 400 ft of it) wound around the dolphin striker

The main halyard is only about 24 ft long. We wrap it like that to keep the mast in the step, since the 14 likes a really loose rig (see Bob Curry's tuning guide to the 14 if you want to know more about rig tension - here.) If you don't do something to keep the mast in the socket, it'll pop out in a capsize.

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6:1 downhaul, a mast rotation bar, and what appears to be a rake adjustment throught the block normally used for the jib furler. Is all this class legal?

Yep. Mast rotator was made class legal in 2006, 6:1 downhaul class legal in 2004, rake adjuster line has been legal for about 35 years.

If you go to Stuart Crabbe's H14 gallery here, you can see more photos of the 14's at the North Americans.

Of the things you've mentioned, the halyard mast keeper and the rake adjuster line are most important. The rake adjuster has two positions - all the way tight (downwind) and loose (upwind). If you have it tight going upwind, you'll rip the cleat off the crossbar or break the line.

The 6:1 downhaul is convenient, but hardly necessary. You loosen it downwind; tighten it back for upwind. The purchase and cleat make it a lot faster (and one-handed) to do this.

The rotator is marginally beneficial. It's nice to be able to set your rotation, but once it's set, we usually leave it alone. Since the 14's go dead downwind, we don't adjust the rotation from upwind to downwind. It's a nice handle to keep the mast rotated downwind in light air.
Author:  xanderwess [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:08 am ]
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Bob Curry is soooo cool! I have never seen that thing on the beachcats, wow is that great!

Jerry, bring the 14 out here next Sept for the 3 day NAC. There are others from your area coming out already, we're shooting for 40 boats.

I have experimented with a boom vang on my 14 in addition to all the (censored) you see on Herb's boat.
Author:  jertemp1 [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Westport and H14 rigging
Westport was awesome on the Tiger the first day. Jerry V and I called it a day after the first race though. He said he was "tired of this toilet bowl". I think maybe our combined weight had something to do with it. Since we were so heavy only I got out on the wire. With Jerry V sitting directly behind me on the tramp every wave that shot off my calf while trapped out acted like a firehose pointed directly at his eyes.

After that I wanted to still go out but my crew on my 16 was on the race commitee chase boat setting marks. So what the hell, I single handed it. Made it out there after charging the shore break about 6 times and was having quite the time. Then a big puff and I dumped it. My GF is my crew and of course they do not notice me tipped over til I was nearly on washed onto the rocks. A giant fishing boat noticed me and hung around wanting to help but I didn't want that giant thing crushing me. I asked them to go notify that little chase boat way over there. They drove directly across the race course to the commitee boat! What an ordeal.

The next day was back to the Tiger. Lighter wind but more severe shore break. Jerry V and I charged the break, he got on and I kept pushing. Finally I jumped on and leaned out on the front pontoon to keep the bow down. The wave shot me in the air and my knee came down directly on the hatch cover and blew it out. Short trip. You can see the pictures of this entire sequence on the web. Follow this link.

http://www.damienrain.com/pictures/v/ad ... tport2007/

We were the only Tiger and if you download all of the Tiger photos in order and then flip through them you can see my expression when I went through the hatch cover. I WANTED TO DIE. Jerry V is the best. I am so sorry!

Thanks for the H14 info. So few people sail and race them anymore that they seem to be a lost art. I asked Peter Nelson our top sailor what was up with that boat and he wasn't sure either but we did guess right.

Keep sailing along....

Jerry
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:56 pm ]
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but...Nice Surfing. Is that Jerry V's boat?

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Author:  tjp [ Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:25 am ]
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Yup, that's Valeske's boat. Unfortunatley Westport wasn't too kind to him. Last year he plowed into a sandbar at full speed and sheered off 6" of daggerboard. This year, the swells were 45-degrees off the wind, so trying to run with the spinnaker was very diffucult - either he was aligned with the swells and went flying off of them, or was 90-degrees to them and rocking back and forth. And then the second day, with the knee through the hatch cover...

Actually, the surfing was kind of dissapointing - the beach where we launched is quite steep, so there is only a single break very close to shore, and the waves come straight in to the beach. There were a surprising number of surfers there anyway - a lot of work for a 2-second ride though.
Author:  jertemp1 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:38 pm ]
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Yer killin me tjp! Why not post the pic of me flying in the air and then the crunch?? Yes the two second ride was a lot of work for very little return.
Jer
Author:  OLD SCHOOL 18 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:01 pm ]
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As requested.
Note the perfect placement of the knee... :roll:

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Author:  OLD SCHOOL 18 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:09 pm ]
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Hold that knee...


Hold it......Hold it.......
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Author:  OLD SCHOOL 18 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:13 pm ]
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Ohhhh, hears the wind up.....

(note position of feet here. As he looks back, and takes careful aim)


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Author:  OLD SCHOOL 18 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:19 pm ]
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HyyYaaahhh - A clean strike! :shock:



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Author:  jertemp1 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:59 pm ]
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man that sucked. :cry:
Author:  gree2056 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:55 pm ]
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That was a nice tuesday laugh!
Author:  jertemp1 [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Mast Rotation
Where can I get mast rotation bar? Is it from an 18 or a 17? What all is involved in the setup? I asked my Hobie Dealer and he said he didn't know.

Bob Curry?

MBounds?

Thanks,
Jer
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