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My recent capsize
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Author:  nbourbaki [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:  My recent capsize
Hi all,

I took my family out on the newish to me getaway last weekend after going a number of times with friends. Wife, and three young girls. My only goal was not to capsize as I was certain it would terrorize the kids and prevent them from ever getting on board again.

Winds got really strong and of course we capsized. Water was really cold and kids were initially panicked. Friendly pontoon boater picked up my family towelled em off and gave them cookies. (My kids now want a pontoon boat :(

Anyway... I had much more trouble getting the boat righted than I expected. Im 190. Another boater jumped in to help even a little heavier. We failed to upright the boat using the righting line together. Sails were uncleated. I am not certain I got the boat pointed the right way (that was hard and I got lots of conflicting advice from circling boaters). Could it just have been the wind direction issue?

My specific questions:
1. the righting line was verrrrrry loose located in a simple square underneath the tramp. Is that set up right? Could the line be too old and therefor not tight enough? is it supposed to be wrapped around the hull somehow. It was tough to lean backwards and not simply fall into the water. I plan to order a righting bag asap as well.

2. the hulls took on a lot of water. I drained them back at the marina, but I can still hear a decent amount of water sloshing around in there that won't drain. Normal? Cause for concern? Solutions?

3. I can't find any youtube videos of how to right a getaway varitey. Anyone know of one? Care to make one :D ?

Any other suggestions are most welcome. My next few times out will be without the kids and will be practicing solo righting. My kids were indeed terrorized but within a few hours it became their grandest adventure story and they are so eager to go again.
Author:  tpdavis473 [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
I'm also new to the Getaway so your story causes me some concern. Do you know how the water got into the hulls? The water in the hulls may have contributed to the difficulty in righting.

Yours does have the float on the top, right? I bought the "righting bucket" to help a single hander right the boat (hope I never have to use it, though).

As you work through the scenes in recollection, please share them with us.
Author:  mmiller [ Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
You need to turn the boat to get the mast into the wind. Look at the diagram below. The wind has to be coming from front to back a bit to get under the sail. If pressing down on the sail. It won't work. Water in the hull would not cause problems unless in the hull that is up in the air. Basics are below. The Getaway has a righting line pre-run under the trampoline. Should extend just long enough to get your weight at about 45 degrees.

FAQ for review:

mmiller wrote:
RIGHTING YOUR HOBIE

On that reach...flying through the air and water then...WHAM!!! Your Hobie Cat has forced you to swim instead of sail. Not really what you had in mind? if you have planned ahead you will be up and sailing again quickly. Whether sailing singlehanded or with a few friends, righting your boat can be quick and easy. First, preventing your mast from becoming one with the bottom, or turtling is a priority. We at Hobie have designed mast floats to help keep your Hobie Cat from becoming a mudhen. The floats attach to the top of your mast and will prevent the mast tip from sinking. The next objective will be to get back to sailing! Righting systems vary a bit but the theory is the same. A line is attached to your Hobie, thrown over the hull in the air and then weight (yours and or your friends) is used to lever the boat back to an upright and sailable position. After you have checked that everyone is OK, turn your hulls and mast into the wind (see diagram)

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and uncleat your sails. You and your friend now need to congregate on the hull that is in the water. Grab the righting line, lean away from the trampoline and get as close to the water as you can. Try to stay out of the water. If you don't have enough body weight to right the cat we have the Righting Bucket! Just attach it to the boat with the hook that is provided, throw over the upper hull and fill the bucket with water! With the bucket strap over your shoulder, lean your weight out from the boat. The bag comes clear of the water and up the cat will come!! Grab the dolphin striker or crossbar as it comes up, climb aboard, sheet in and GO! Tipping your Hobie over can be a great way to cooloff and enjoy the water...try it! It's excellent practice for when you weren't planning to go for a swim but your Hobie decided that you needed to cool off!
Author:  Craig9r [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
On page 2 of Getaway forums, check out: Capsized (x3). It is a video my cousin made with a GoPro, shows us righting the Getaway 3 times. I am unable to right it by myself, always need a 2nd person. Also, I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem.

Here is the attachment for the video clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMug9SCdrCc
Author:  tpdavis473 [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
Craig9r wrote:
On page 2 of Getaway forums, check out: Capsized (x3). It is a video my cousin made with a GoPro, shows us righting the Getaway 3 times. I am unable to right it by myself, always need a 2nd person. Also, I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem.

Here is the attachment for the video clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMug9SCdrCc


THANKS ! You make it look easy. One question, the blue and white hull righting line seems to be a lot longer on your boat than on mine. Mine (dry) barely reaches from grommet on port, through the midbeam eyes and back to the grommet on starboard with enough for a knot. Does it stretch out or did you lengthen it or is mine too short and/or I have it routed wrong?
Author:  tpdavis473 [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
tpdavis473 wrote:
Craig9r wrote:
On page 2 of Getaway forums, check out: Capsized (x3). It is a video my cousin made with a GoPro, shows us righting the Getaway 3 times. I am unable to right it by myself, always need a 2nd person. Also, I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem.

Here is the attachment for the video clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMug9SCdrCc


THANKS ! You make it look easy. One question, the blue and white hull righting line seems to be a lot longer on your boat than on mine. Mine (dry) barely reaches from grommet on port, through the midbeam eyes and back to the grommet on starboard with enough for a knot. Does it stretch out or did you lengthen it or is mine too short and/or I have it routed wrong?


I checked mine...It stretches! Didn't know that.
Author:  nbourbaki [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
OP here, thanks for all your replies. I am looking forward to capsizing again soon to practice!

my primary concern is just how stretchy the righting line is on my boat. If I were to just lean back on it I would be in the water before it pulled taught.

Tips, advice?
Author:  tpdavis473 [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
nbourbaki wrote:
my primary concern is just how stretchy the righting line is on my boat. If I were to just lean back on it I would be in the water before it pulled taught.

Tips, advice?


I noted that the guys in the video had to do sort of a pullup on the righting line and grasped it close to the grommet on the aft end, didn't notice what the forward guy did, though.
Author:  Craig9r [ Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
That is correct, grasp it near the grommets and you are good to go. Yes, the righting line does stretch, but eventually it acts like a normal rope.
Author:  mmiller [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
Quote:
I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem.


You will have problems if windy and the wind is from aft pushing the sail down. The other reason for proper orientation before righting is to keep the boat more head to wind once it comes up. If not, the sails power up and the boat could sail away from you or flip again.
Author:  MITBeta [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
Craig9r wrote:
On page 2 of Getaway forums, check out: Capsized (x3). It is a video my cousin made with a GoPro, shows us righting the Getaway 3 times. I am unable to right it by myself, always need a 2nd person. Also, I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem.

Here is the attachment for the video clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMug9SCdrCc


It would be really cool if you added some keywords or modified the description to include "getaway", "capsize", etc. for people who go searching for this sort of thing. Thanks!
Author:  dorienc [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
Quote: "I never worry about the wind direction when righting, it has never been a problem" made me laugh at a memory.

The first time I dumped my H-17, I swam the mast all the way around into the wind, instead of keeping it 45 degrees between the mast and bow.
When I righted the boat, the wind pushed it back over on top of me! In retrospect, I may not have unsheeted the main or traveller.

Also, Craig9r, I noticed you are directly pulling the sail down instead of using the center hole in the mast cleat and grommet as a downhaul. Is that deliberate?
Author:  KeithB [ Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My recent capsize
I have only capsized once in 5 seasons with the boat. I was sailing solo as I usually am and another powered vessel came by and offered to help me right the boat by towing me from the upper hull to pull it over. Never had to right it myself but I have been worried about it. Every season, I say I'm going to flip it on purpose in light wind in a convenient location to practice righting but I never do. Anyway, last season I rigged up a righting pole as I think that is the best leverage for righting. I have a righting bag also. Maybe this year I will get a couple guys to crew with me and flip it to practice, make sure my righting pole is rigged properly and works as intended and also just in case I can't right it solo, I'll have a couple extra bodies to get it upright again.
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