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Probably has something to do with why the H-16 Spinnaker is a discontinued item. We just got the last 3 for an overseas customer.Brian C.

When you say "class legal" for H16 spinnaker, there is no such thing in North America. There is a Hobie manufactured spinnaker that Brian is saying is no longer available in the U.S., but if you're going to sail recreationally, you can modify an existing or have manufactured a spinnaker.

Appendix B
IHCA Supplement to the International Hobie Cat 16 Class Rules.
THE USE OF THIS SUPPLEMENT IS AUTHORISED FOR YOUTH EVENTS ONLY.
1. The IHCA General Class Rules and the Hobie Cat 16 Class Rules are part of these rules.
2. Only spinnaker sails, bowsprits and snuffer kits built from HOBIE CAT CO. approved patterns and manufactured
by or for HOBIE CAT CO. are class legal.
3. The Hobie 16 class spinnaker of maximum 17,65 m2, the bowsprit of 3200mm length (+/- 5 mm) and the
snuffer as supplied by a HOBIE CAT CO. shall be carried during class events when this supplement is in
force.
4. The bowsprit shall be fixed on the longitudinal centre line of the boat as provided by the manufacturer. Bowsprits
shall have a blunt end cap fitted. Bowsprit bridle wire length shall not be shorter than 1595 mm. Additional
supporting lines for the bowsprit may be mounted and/or rigged in any manner.
5. The head of the spinnaker shall not be hoisted higher than 6865 mm from the base of the extrusion. At the
halyard block or keeper the bearing surface of the halyard shall be no more than 70 mm from the surface of
the mast. For the purposes of measurement, the halyard shall be pulled tight to the tack fitting.
6. Spinnaker sheet blocks of different design or make may be used. Additional blocks may be added. The spinnaker
sheet blocks and spinnaker running gear may be mounted/rigged in any manner.
7. Tapered sheets, lines and halyards for the spinnaker are permitted.
8. Line(s), elastic cord(s) and covers may be added as tangle preventers for jib sheet lines, spinnaker and spinnaker
sheet/halyard lines.
9. Adjustable rope luff and leech lines may be installed within existing luff and leech tapes on spinnakers.

However, the North American Region does not control what the International Hobie Class Association Rules Committee and IHCA Council does.
We have a say, but we do not control. We have fought this ever since it was first introduced at the 2003 IHCA AGM in Singapore.

MBounds wrote:

I understand that we cannot "rule the world" and thank God for that!
However, we are at least in control of our own destiny, at least I hope so.
Even if IHCA rules in favor of the additional equipement doesn't HCA have the option of preventing the splintering of the class here in the USA ?

S

Author:	italianhobie [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:23 am ]
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Hi the spinnaker into the hobiecats regatta wi'll be admitted only for the youth or someone is thinking to extend it to the adult also? Sorry my english Max

Author:	MBounds [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:13 am ]
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At this point, the 16 w/spi is only authorized for youth events, per the class rules. The North American region is adamantly opposed to introducing the spinnaker to the adult class - it will divide the strongest class. Experience has shown (14 / 14T and 18 / 18M / 18 SX) that dividing a class like that will kill it.

Author:	DVL [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:03 pm ]
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All I can say is AMEN to Matts statement.

Author:	The Dog [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:18 pm ]
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Probably has something to do with why the H-16 Spinnaker is a discontinued item. We just got the last 3 for an overseas customer. Brian C.

Author:	OLD SCHOOL 18 [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:58 pm ]
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The Dog wrote: Probably has something to do with why the H-16 Spinnaker is a discontinued item. We just got the last 3 for an overseas customer.Brian C. I almost hate to ask; but does this mean even if we wanted to put a class legal spinnaker on a H16 for the kids to use, we couldn't buy one? What are the options?

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Author:	The Dog [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:23 am ]
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I have no idea about class rules. I just know that Hobie has told us that we got the last 3 H16 chutes. Perhaps the plan is to use Tiger chutes. Brian C

Author:	hobieokc [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:29 am ]
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When you say "class legal" for H16 spinnaker, there is no such thing in North America. There is a Hobie manufactured spinnaker that Brian is saying is no longer available in the U.S., but if you're going to sail recreationally, you can modify an existing or have manufactured a spinnaker.

Author:	MBounds [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:45 am ]
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hobieokc wrote: When you say "class legal" for H16 spinnaker, there is no such thing in North America. There is a Hobie manufactured spinnaker that Brian is saying is no longer available in the U.S., but if you're going to sail recreationally, you can modify an existing or have manufactured a spinnaker. Actually there is a "class legal" chute - look at Appendix B of the IHCA Class Rules (note the bold lettering, though): Quote: Appendix B IHCA Supplement to the International Hobie Cat 16 Class Rules. THE USE OF THIS SUPPLEMENT IS AUTHORISED FOR YOUTH EVENTS ONLY. 1. The IHCA General Class Rules and the Hobie Cat 16 Class Rules are part of these rules. 2. Only spinnaker sails, bowsprits and snuffer kits built from HOBIE CAT CO. approved patterns and manufactured by or for HOBIE CAT CO. are class legal. 3. The Hobie 16 class spinnaker of maximum 17,65 m2, the bowsprit of 3200mm length (+/- 5 mm) and the snuffer as supplied by a HOBIE CAT CO. shall be carried during class events when this supplement is in force. 4. The bowsprit shall be fixed on the longitudinal centre line of the boat as provided by the manufacturer. Bowsprits shall have a blunt end cap fitted. Bowsprit bridle wire length shall not be shorter than 1595 mm. Additional supporting lines for the bowsprit may be mounted and/or rigged in any manner. 5. The head of the spinnaker shall not be hoisted higher than 6865 mm from the base of the extrusion. At the halyard block or keeper the bearing surface of the halyard shall be no more than 70 mm from the surface of the mast. For the purposes of measurement, the halyard shall be pulled tight to the tack fitting. 6. Spinnaker sheet blocks of different design or make may be used. Additional blocks may be added. The spinnaker sheet blocks and spinnaker running gear may be mounted/rigged in any manner. 7. Tapered sheets, lines and halyards for the spinnaker are permitted. 8. Line(s), elastic cord(s) and covers may be added as tangle preventers for jib sheet lines, spinnaker and spinnaker sheet/halyard lines. 9. Adjustable rope luff and leech lines may be installed within existing luff and leech tapes on spinnakers.

Author:	hobieokc [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:48 am ]
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I stand corrected. I hadn't realized that HCA-NA had authorized the spinnaker for youth events. I had understood that IHCA was allowing the spinnaker for Euro youth events, but was still undecided about adult events. I really need to read my Hobie news more often.

Author:	MBounds [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:55 am ]
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The HCANA didn't authorize it. We got out voted. The IHCA makes the rules, the HCAHA only has one vote on the council.

Author:	italianhobie [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:59 am ]
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I hope they extend the spi to the adult also.....

Author:	MUST5429 [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:07 am ]
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Matt, Correct me if I am wrong, but my recollection is that the HCA BOD discussed this issue at some length last year and voted against the spinnaker class here in the USA, at least for the non youth classes. The logic behind the vote was that the H-16 class has been and continues to be one of the strongest one design classes in sailing, and to allow a spinnaker class would for many reasons, splinter this otherwise strong class. Look what happened to the H-18 Fleet when they took what was once the second strongest fleet in catamaran sailing and splintered it by introducing first the Magnum, and then the SX. For a considerable period, It became very difficult to get a H-18 fleet of anything. The SE sailors didn't want to compete against winged boats, and the winged boat owners didn't want to sail without their wings. The problem exists to this day even though the Portsmouth ratings for both the SE and the Magnum remain the same. In all fairness, the introduction of the H-20 also contributed to the demise of the H-18. Stephen

Author:	MBounds [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:21 am ]
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You are correct Stephen. However, the North American Region does not control what the International Hobie Class Association Rules Committee and IHCA Council does. We have a say, but we do not control. We have fought this ever since it was first introduced at the 2003 IHCA AGM in Singapore.

Author:	MUST5429 [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:26 am ]
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MBounds wrote: However, the North American Region does not control what the International Hobie Class Association Rules Committee and IHCA Council does. We have a say, but we do not control. We have fought this ever since it was first introduced at the 2003 IHCA AGM in Singapore. I understand that we cannot "rule the world" and thank God for that! However, we are at least in control of our own destiny, at least I hope so. Even if IHCA rules in favor of the additional equipement doesn't HCA have the option of preventing the splintering of the class here in the USA ? S

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Author:	MBounds [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:27 am ]
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MUST5429 wrote: MBounds wrote: However, the North American Region does not control what the International Hobie Class Association Rules Committee and IHCA Council does. We have a say, but we do not control. We have fought this ever since it was first introduced at the 2003 IHCA AGM in Singapore. I understand that we cannot "rule the world" and thank God for that! However, we are at least in control of our own destiny, at least I hope so. Even if IHCA rules in favor of the additional equipement doesn't HCA have the option of preventing the splintering of the class here in the USA ? S Short answer - Yes. I think Hobie USA has helped us by discontinuing the spin kit.