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Author: | Leipo [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Sorry, but I can only see the first image and the video, all the other images give me a "Unauthorized" warning.... |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
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Author: | Leipo [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
now they show! ![]() edit: that makes your story a lot better to understand ![]() they look nice! do they also prevent de ama's from folding in? or does the ballbungee stretch enough to fold? |
Author: | jsserene [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Quote: I mounted them to the Akas with simple padded PVC pipe halves and bungie-ball lashing. So are the pvc halves screwed to the boards and than padding added between the pvc and Akas? Also, do the bungies keep the from sliding in and out? |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Yes/No Yes/Depends If you want them to move, just keep the bungies loose You can slide them in/out about a foot, or even fix them right against the gunwales. In the middle of the Akas seems ideal for me. |
Author: | Tiki Tack [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Cool Pictures! I like the way they look and the price! They're begging for a bottle opener to be attached! |
Author: | chrisj [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
NOHUHU wrote: Tacking from the benches is not as easy as from the cockpit, (using a little pedal assist). I got caught in irons a couple times in stiff wind and needed a quick pedal to get going again. I'll keep working on it. There's always the good ol' 270 degree jibe, but I guess you are going to want to switch sides when you tack anyway, to remain on the windward side. Couldn't you drop into the cockpit for a little pedal assist just before you begin to tack, since you're going to be passing through that way anyway? |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Thanks Chris. A jibe works great. It's also my favorite move while surfing. Transferring is a little trickier from the bench than from tramps, but it's no real challenge. I would like to get "unassisted" tacks wired though, so I can sail with the fins out or in the locked position. |
Author: | chrisj [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
I've been trying to nail unassisted tacks for ages. In winds between about 5 and 12 knots, I can do it fairly consistently, but much more or less than that and forget it. I spent a day doing multiple tacks and jibes in favourable conditions (about 8-9 knots) and from analysing the GPS tracks, I came to the conclusion that a successful tack puts you about 30-40 seconds further upwind than a tight jibe. By successful, I mean getting across to the opposite tack without stalling and having to reverse the rudder. Of course, if you get caught in irons too often, the time advantage from tacking evaporates rapidly. BTW, I love the Hakas. They solve the two main problems of the tramps on an AI - flipping in high wind and being unable to paddle. |
Author: | stringy [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Very nice work and great pics! NOHUHU! ![]() I like the simplicity of the Haka and their advantages over the tramps. I can also see them being used as a floor over the main hull for sleeping on as an alternative to Chrisj's innovative hammock! ![]() I hate the maintenance wood requires when used in the marine environment and would be interested to find an alternative composite plank. Please keep us posted if you find something. PS- Sailing with the drive out makes it easier to tack unassisted as there is less resistance. I rarely sail with the drive in, especially if conditions allow. (There is always the paddle to assist in a tack if necessary) ![]() |
Author: | Fly4v [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
I am wondering if this would do as both a composite pre-made substitute. http://www.homedepot.com/Doors-Windows- ... =202745532 Too bad it is only on-line purchase. It would be nice to see how solid they are before buying. |
Author: | Salty Dawg [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
I really like that idea! What kind of wood did you use ? It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like pine ? |
Author: | KayakingBob [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
5/4th" decking wood?? |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE HAKA BENCH SEAT - AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRAMPS |
Nothing at our local hardware store today. Lowes or HD maybe has something. These slats are 2.5"x3/4"x72". A little under 3/4" spacing. Probably pressure treated pine. Around 15lb/Aka. These are just mockups. I'll refinish them with spar varnish soon. Anything synthetic may bend more than the natural material, but an aluminum subframe could be used. A little flex is desirable, I think. I see alot of outdoor deck projects on TV using composites, so the dimensions must be out there for doing this right. Many park benches and tables are made from artificial materials too. Looking for something that is color impregnated and can be cut, sanded or planed. If you find it please shout out. |
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