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TI in the San Francisco Bay?
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Author:  split [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Anyone have a TI in SF?
After about 1pm, the SF bay waves and wind can get fairly challenging. Was wondering how the TI fares? Is every wave a shower? I don't find videos showing the TI dealing with any significant wave heights. The bay can be a miserable cold and windy place and I'm concerned that If I were to buy a TI, I would find its use in the bay to be miserable....at least after 1pm.
Author:  JetJester [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Split, where exactly are you talking about? I'm in the Foster/Redwood City area. I have an AI and so far have only been in the Foster City lagoons and Half Moon Bay. (only had it a couple of months). There are many micro climates in the bay so it really does depend upon where you are talking about sailing. From my observation, the further south you go the calmer things get...... Well sometimes.
JJ.
Author:  split [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
I generally find myself in the triangle formed from Emeryville, The SF warf, and sausalito. I have never been south of the bay bridge
Author:  jholtco [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Well your sailing in what is the windyest part of the bay, the chute is what some people call it because the winds are just screaming almost every afternoon in the spring and summer. I have always thought Richardson Bay would be a great Hobie Island sail area as well as south of the San Mateo Bridge and all the way to Alviso.
Author:  JetJester [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
OK,the conditions south of the San Mateo bridge are very different. I have not yet sailed on the bay but have a few years observation of the conditions.
Everytime I have seen the conditions in the afternoon the "triangle" is pretty rough this is also affected by the tide timing. Moving further south things are a bit more predictable but again can be rough in the afternoon, more wnd more fun :D . Living where you do I'm not sure that is going to help you as travelling south across the Golden Gate when you want to sail maybe undesirable.
Hope that helps.
JJ
Author:  split [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Given the area, is the TI suited for such conditions? Its a small craft and I'm not sure it can handle the conditions. I mostly see vids of the TI on lakes or very flat seas.
Author:  dosjers [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
I've sailed a lot in San Francisco Bay but never in a TI. I lived aboard a ketch in the Ballena Isle Marina and we would sail a lot north of the Oakland Bay Bridge.

I have an AI and TI now but live in Florida. I think the TI could handle sailing in the Bay but I don't know if I would want to take it under the Golden Gate if the seas are up. Our ketch displaced about 60,000 lbs and one time I had to turn around and head back in because of the conditions outside the gate in an area called the Potatoe Patch.

Sailing a TI between Fishermen's Warf and Sausalito would be a blast.
Author:  JetJester [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Sorry split. I have no experience in the TI or in those waters. On a sightly different point. dosjers, does the diffence between an AI and TI make a difference here? Smaller sail surface, less displacement vs larger sail and displacement.
JJ
Author:  rockcrawler [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
After seeing what conditions some of our fellow posters in Hawaii sail the TI/AI in, I have no doubt the TI can handle Bay conditions. However, it would be a very wet/cold ride.
Author:  whosyerbob [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
split wrote:
Given the area, is the TI suited for such conditions? Its a small craft and I'm not sure it can handle the conditions. I mostly see vids of the TI on lakes or very flat seas.

Take a look at some of my vids; we've had the TI out in some pretty hairy conditions and come back drenched with big grins all over our faces. :D
Author:  dosjers [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
JetJester wrote:
On a sightly different point. dosjers, does the diffence between an AI and TI make a difference here? Smaller sail surface, less displacement vs larger sail and displacement.
JJ

I think the TI is a much better sailing boat than the AI but I wouldn't hesitate to take either one out in SF Bay. I think the size of the amas on the TI are what really helps it sail better but I'm not sure.
Author:  JetJester [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Interesting Jerry. The hull is about 2' longer I think, how much longer are the amas? I have noticed in the "speeding" TI videos that there is a load more twisting action between the akas and hull watch them and see. Maybe this ishelping cut through the chop. Of course you also have a larger sail for one sailer which is going to help with speed.
JJ
Author:  dosjers [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
I'm not sure what is the exact difference in the size of the amas but I would guess the TI amas are almost twice as large as the AI's.
Author:  yakaboutit [ Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
Be prepared to get wet. The spray skirts and tramps should help a lot, but it's still a wet ride. Even though I'm in Oklahoma, I've sailed in 25 mph winds gusting to 38, which created very rough conditions even though it was on a lake. Most of the time I had all but a couple feet of sail furled. Even one foot of sail got the boat moving at about 2-3 mph. The TI handled the waves without a problem, but I was drenched and the lower 2/3 of the mast was wet from the spray. She went through the waves more than over them when under sail.

With the sail unfirled to the long batten, we hit 16 mph for about 5-6 seconds (according to my GPS) on this sail with two people on board. We had to have one person hike out on the windward tramp to keep her upright. The mast was bending so much I was worried about it snapping. SCARY FUN!
Author:  captain-max [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TI in the San Francisco Bay?
rockcrawler wrote:
After seeing what conditions some of our fellow posters in Hawaii sail the TI/AI in, I have no doubt the TI can handle Bay conditions.
Darn right! Check out some of Kayaking Bob's vids ('reconlon') and Nohuhu's.

Really, any vessel that Man has ever designed can be overcome by the ultimate forces of Nature. The Hobie Islands are very worthy craft though. Kayaking Bob (and others) advise that they reach the limits of the Island's sailing ability at ~30 knots. Let's face it, that's a stack of wind!
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