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Author:  nap [ Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:19 am ]
Post subject:  NC - Hobie Tandem Island 2015 dune - 5000
Excellent condition. With trampoline.
Please call me at 9196991049 if interested.
Author:  nap [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NC - Hobie Tandem Island 2015 dune - 5000
SOLD
Author:  tonystott [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:23 pm ]
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What does NC stand for?
Author:  Tom Kirkman [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:17 pm ]
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I would guess, North Carolina.
Author:  nap [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:35 am ]
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Bye to all TI owners. And thank you for all the help. I decided to sell my TI because I'm afraid to experience the capsize. I don't think my wife and I can handle that situation in rough condition. So I decided to go slow and ordered the PA17T.
Author:  tonystott [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:11 am ]
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I feel so bad for you. The doom and gloom you read here is not representative of the real world. In my honest opinion,. provided you add simple diagonal lines to prevent the ama collapsing if a pin breaks, the Islands are INCREDIBLY less prone to capsize that just about all the power boats that you see boat ramps.

I am sorry that the naysayers hsve spooked you into abandoning your TI. I sincerely hope that you and your wife are happy with your new 17T.
Author:  pro10is [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:20 am ]
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You could have simply not used the sail on your TI and then had a pedal-only boat like the 17T that was nearly impossible to capsize in comparison.

But to each his own. Best of luck.
Author:  Tom Kirkman [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:02 am ]
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The number of people who capsize a TI are few and far between. Yes it does happen, but it's not at all frequent. I have sailed mine incredibly hard but never once capsized. Conversely, I have capsized nearly every other sailboat I own.

I can respect your decision but think you may have made a mistake...
Author:  Chekika [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:49 am ]
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Nap, I think it is fine if you have chosen a different way to enjoy your time on the water; however, your fears of a capsize are a bit overblown. Here is a comment I made yesterday:
Chekika wrote:
...4 means (tramps, hakas, keep-out lines, nylatron pins) which should prevent insta-capsize due to unexpected breakage of a Hobie aka-brace pin in open waters. Hopefully, these preventatives will eliminate such capsizes forever!

Keith
See http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=70&p=280837#p280837

AI/TIs are probably the boats least prone to capsize. With the means mentioned above, it is hard to imagine these boats capsizing unless some clueless person would take one out on the ocean in near hurricane force winds.

Best wishes on your new adventure,

Keith
Author:  nap [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:27 am ]
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Thanks guys for sharing your thoughts.
I will buy again once my wife get back onto her good health. I have no problem with falling on water and righting the TI but worrying about righting the kayak and my wife who will have a problem climbing back onto the kayak because of her weight and bad knee is something I cannot handle. Hopefully by the time I decide to buy again, the kayak is 99% capsize free. And I don't have to think about all these safety modifications. Everything should be in the box.
Author:  nap [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NC - Hobie Tandem Island 2015 dune - 5000
Thanks guys for sharing your thoughts.
I will buy again once my wife get back onto her good health. I have no problem with falling on water and righting the TI but worrying about righting the kayak and my wife who will have a problem climbing back onto the kayak because of her weight and bad knee is something I cannot handle. Hopefully by the time I decide to buy again, the kayak is 99% capsize free. And I don't have to think about all these safety modifications. Everything should be in the box.
Author:  Tom Kirkman [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NC - Hobie Tandem Island 2015 dune - 5000
There is no such thing as a 99% capsize free boat, although the TI comes very close to it as is. Everything is in the box and under normal conditions no further "safety modifications" are required.

I do not have any numbers behind it, but feel safe in saying that more PA17's capsize than do Tandem Islands.
Author:  tonystott [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:12 am ]
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Further to Tom's comments, even though the TI is incredibly safe, it would only cost less than $20 more to REALLY overcome the majority of the (seriously rare) risk of capsize.

1. Purchase about 6 metres of Hobie dyeema rudder line (this thin stuff has a breaking strain of 1000# believe it or not!)
2. Tie a loop round each aka joint (vertical) pin, leading to the other side where you do the same. Do front and back. Now, your akas can NEVER come loose unless you undo these lines!
3. Make a loop to fit the line over the little button in front of the forward drive well. Lead this line >forward< of the ama mounting bracket and out to the ama handle. Tie it off at the base of the handle. Repeat on the other side. Now, the only way your amas can collapse is when you take the loop off the central button.

Your TI is now (almost) bulletproof. There is no need to wait for Hobie to make any changes to the TI to make it safe in all but the most extreme circumstances
Author:  Chekika [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:52 am ]
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
There is no such thing as a 99% capsize free boat, although the TI comes very close to it as is. Everything is in the box and under normal conditions no further "safety modifications" are required.

tonystott wrote:
There is no need to wait for Hobie to make any changes to the TI to make it safe in all but the most extreme circumstances

Interesting comments. The emphasis is mine. I'm sure Nap will not be taking his PA out in other than normal and certainly not extreme conditions. As Tom correctly points out, no boat is capsize free. The Islands are certainly capsize resistant. Still, let me pose the question: say you have your Island on a reach, in 15-17 knot winds, and your leeward aka-brace pin breaks. You happen to be looking to the horizon, typical of a sailor, and don't notice the break. You have no tramps, hakas, keep-out lines. What will happen in the next 5-7 seconds? Has anyone experienced this? It would be simple enough to test. Hobie aka-brace pins do break, otherwise why are people replacing them with everything from Nylatron to SS pins?

Capsize is a serious problem, especially in rough seas. Chief, the manager of the Everglade Challenge--a 280 mile adventure race, now requires all participants to certify that they can right their boats in case of a capsize. I wonder how many Island owners can say they have done that?

Furthermore, in the event of a capsize, you had better have everything that you do not want to lose, securely attached or tethered to your boat.

Keith
Author:  tonystott [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NC - Hobie Tandem Island 2015 dune - 5000
Keith, I don't understand your point. If anyone carries out the minor and inexpensive modifications I outlined above, they are unlikely to ever experience the dramatic situation that you did.
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