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Hoby cart is NOT compatible with a PA14! BEWARE!!!
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Author:  Nubes [ Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Hoby cart is NOT compatible with a PA14! BEWARE!!!
I really do like my new PA14 but have to admit that I find it completely frikkin ridiculous that Hobie says you need to use our cart or you may damage your kayak?? OK, I go buy the over priced scupper hole cart and tighten rubber grommets as tight as they will go. I walk maybe 20-25 yards with my kayak to get to the water. After 1 week I now have nice divots burned into the bottom of my very expensive kayak. Hobie knew this was an issue but fail to tell anyone. I had to make some modifications to my over priced inferior kayak cart in order to not ruin my kayak. I just find it ridiculous that a company like Hobie hasn't addressed this and at what they charge for anything. You should never have to make modifications to anything. It should just work. I love my PA14 but think Hobie needs to fix this ASAP!
Author:  KeuKayak [ Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:33 am ]
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The included instructions suggest putting a short piece of Pvc on the upright below the collar. I use the pcv splices. They have a little ridge inside but it easily files right out.
Author:  Nubes [ Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:00 am ]
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KeuKayak wrote:
The included instructions suggest putting a short piece of Pvc on the upright below the collar. I use the pcv splices. They have a little ridge inside but it easily files right out.



They suggest?? LOL at a $150 that cart should fit right out of the box! Especially when they say using another cart can damage your yak? Using the Hobie cart damaged my yak! I honestly do not ever recall seeing anything that told me to do that or my yak could be compromised?? Its a real simple fix. If they want to tell people to use this cart for the PA14, make a thicker collar for the cart? How difficult could this possibly be?
Author:  Memory Maker [ Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:14 pm ]
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........ Welcome to the world of Hobie Accessories for the PA ........... The PA is the Bastard Child of the Hobie Line ........ I have complained about this for years and have had many bouts with Matt about it.

They finally made a cover that fits the PA but will not offer a trade in for everyone that was duped by their posting that it was made for the PA. Unless they changed things, the outriggers don't fit, there isn't a rear mount for the Evolve for the PA etc etc.

...... And yes Matt ...... Here we go again.
Author:  yakn4bass [ Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:27 pm ]
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Made original post on stop slippage back in March 2014 in hopes of making others aware of problem and maybe prevent the damage it causes to the PA hull. Even then others stated that this was not a new problem.

What makes this even worse is the fact Hobie has a "Kit" consisting of a package containing two pieces of PVC pipe to install on cart to prevent stop slippage. Kit was sent to me after my complaining to ACK about the damage to my new PA. So, evidently Hobie is aware of the stops slipping on the heavier PA. At very least kit should be included with carts along with warnings.

FYI. Slippage occurs on the solid black rubber tire carts as well as the ones with solid black plastic wheels.
Author:  Snookmeister [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:19 am ]
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I have never noticed this before. My cart has never given me any trouble. However, my boat is never on it for more than 5 min tops. I understand the frustration, you would think they would just give you the PVC tubes with cart, I mean you have to assemble it anyway.
Author:  mmiller [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:32 am ]
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We included PVC tubes for awhile... Then solved the issue by adding weld-stops over the last year or so. Solved.
Author:  mmiller [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:00 am ]
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Memory Maker wrote:
Welcome to the world of Hobie Accessories for the PA


Here is a short list of major accessories specifically designed for or suggested for Pro Anglers:

Part Description
72055 KAYAK COVER / PA 14 CUSTOM
72056 KAYAK COVER / PA 12 CUSTOM
72057 KAYAK COVER / PA 17 CUSTOM
80024 BAG, MIRAGEDRIVE CARRY
38652000 TRAILER HOBIE ALUM KAYAK SINGL
38652200 TRAILER HOBIE ALUM KAYAK DOUBL
38652202 TRAILER ALUM KAYAK PA17
72020007 HOBIE LIVEWELL
72020009 HOBIE DRIFT CHUTE
72020010 HOBIE SAFETY KIT
72020021 ULTIMATE KAYAK FISHING PACKAGE
72020022 KAYAK FLY FISHING PACKAGE
72020023 KAYAK CUSTOMIZATION PACKAGE
72020025 KAYAK TRAVEL PACKAGE
72020026 KAYAK SAFETY PACKAGE
72020028 MIRAGE SEAT PAD - INFLATABLE
72020029 HOBIE SAFETY PACKAGE-DELUXE
72020066 FIGHTING CUP KIT VANTAGE CHAIR
72020070 FISHFINDER INSTALL KIT III
72020072 HOBIE LIVEWELL XL
72020073 ANCHOR TROLLEY KIT - UNIVERSAL
72020074 ROD HOLDER EXTENSION / ADJ
72020076 POWERPOLE - POWER KIT
72020083 POWERPOLE MICRO AND SPIKE
72020087 COOLER - PA BUCKET / ALL CARGO
72020088 H-CRATE
72020090 TROLLING MOTOR MOUNT / PA17
72020092 RESCUE STEP - KAYAK
72020097 H-CRATE SOFT COVER
72020098 ROD HOLDER ASSEMBLY / H-RAIL
72020099 HD STRAP KIT
72020100 MOTORGUIDE QR BRACKET
72020111 FISH BAG
72020120 TROLLING MOTOR Xi5 50" FRESH
72020121 TROLLING MOTOR Xi5 50" SALT
72020176 POWERPOLE - MOUNT KIT PRO A
72020401 CRADLE SET - PRO ANGLER TRAILE
72020404 CRADLE SET - PA17 TRAILER
72020405 DOLLY HANGER KIT- PA17 TRAILER
72022030 EVOLVE v2 MOTOR KIT - K
72026102 MOUNT FUGOO H-RAIL
72076001 STAKEOUT POLE - KAYAK FISHING
80043001 HOBIE TRAX "2-30" CART PLUG-IN
80046001 HOBIE HVY DUTY PLUG-IN CART
80046101 HOBIE DOLLY, PA-UNI TUFF-TIRE
80046102 HOBIE DOLLY, PA17 TUFF-TIRE
80046201 HOBIE DOLLY, PA-UNI BEACH-TIRE
80046202 HOBIE DOLLY, PA17 BEACH-TIRE
84500011 LUMBAR PAD PRO ANGLER
84500114 HOBIE H-BAR/ ADJUSTABLE
84500115 PA17 H-BAR H-RAIL ADAPTER KIT
84513001 SAIL KIT KAYAK TURQ/PAPAYA
84514001 SAIL KIT KAYAK WHITE/RED
84515001 SAIL KIT KAYAK WHITE/TURQ
84516001 SAIL KIT KAYAK SILVER/WHITE
84517001 FURLER KIT-KAYAK SAIL
84612001 RUDDER BLADE, LARGE PRO A
84620200 G-HOLD / H-RAIL
84620202 MINIPORT / H-RAIL
84620204 STARPORT HD / H-RAIL
84621001 CUP HOLDER / H-RAIL
84622001 MOUNTING PLATE / H-RAIL
84623001 TACKLE BIN / H-RAIL
84625001 ROD RACK / H-RAIL (ONE)
84625312 PA H-RAIL UPGRADE KIT PA12
84625314 PA H-RAIL UPGRADE KIT PA14
84626001 H-RAIL BOLT ON RAIL KIT 9"
84626101 H-RAIL BOLT ON RAIL KIT 21"
Author:  NH_HobiePA14 [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:30 pm ]
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This is why I upgraded to the Boonedox Landing Gear with the PA Kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faviylL7Mg8
Author:  Dr.SteelheadCatcher [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:34 pm ]
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Nice idea/design!
Author:  mmiller [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:36 pm ]
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Love the concept. I would caution that running into objects would put considerable twisting load on the mounting points. Over rougher terrain maybe add some spring lines.
Author:  Yak9107 [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:43 am ]
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From where im sitting the Hobie cart is much better. Not sure what the guy is talking about with the wheels being further forward. Looks to me like they are in the same place. Lots of work ....and for what?...
Author:  yakn4bass [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:16 pm ]
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Main benefit I see is the ability to install wheels while still in the water. You don't have to empty PA, drag on shore and turn on its side to install cart.
Author:  SteveLIBS [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:06 pm ]
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Yak9107 wrote:
From where im sitting the Hobie cart is much better. Not sure what the guy is talking about with the wheels being further forward. Looks to me like they are in the same place. Lots of work ....and for what?...



I think the original boonedox system was designed to mount further back on the pro angler; and that the newer pro angler design of the boonedox system allows it to be mounted "further forward" where it wants to be.

I like the concept of the boonedox system, but in addition to stress points on the pro angler - I wondered why the wheels aren't on one/singular cross bar so that they can be raised and lowered together, instead of separately, to save time/headaches during launch and landing.
Author:  Brian_NC [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:17 pm ]
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SteveLIBS wrote:
Yak9107 wrote:
From where im sitting the Hobie cart is much better. Not sure what the guy is talking about with the wheels being further forward. Looks to me like they are in the same place. Lots of work ....and for what?...



I think the original boonedox system was designed to mount further back on the pro angler; and that the newer pro angler design of the boonedox system allows it to be mounted "further forward" where it wants to be.

I like the concept of the boonedox system, but in addition to stress points on the pro angler - I wondered why the wheels aren't on one/singular cross bar so that they can be raised and lowered together, instead of separately, to save time/headaches during launch and landing.


The Boonedox system is made for the user to install the wheels one at a time. The wheels ride partially underneath the hull when in use. Installing one at a time allows you to lift slightly on one side, install the wheel, then do the same on the other side. This alleviates having to turn your boat completely on its side, and having everything fall out, or emptying it prior to loading the wheels.

Its actually MUCH easier putting the wheels on than the Hobie cart!
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