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running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
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Author:  Layover II [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
I have recently purchased an '82 Hobie 16. The boat needs some work, so I figured the best way to learn the boat was to fix it up myself. This is rather frustrating altogether. I am new to sailing, so bear with me here. I am looking to replace all of the 'running rigging', the halyards, sheets and such. I have decided not to go the route of ordering one from one of the many hobie retail outlets. I plan on sailing this boat a lot and I live in Arkansas, so I am aware of the fact that the cordage needs to be on the 'rather tolerant' side of UV resistance. I plan on racing a little in the future, so I am trying to accommodate for all of these variables in advance as to keep myself from having to go through the rigging process again. Does anybody have any suggestions as to the type and manufacturer of the cordage that would sustain me for a while?

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Layover II
Author:  J_Eaton [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
Quote:
I have decided not to go the route of ordering one from one of the many hobie retail outlets.
you and the guy at Home Depot are going to have fun deciding what type of line to use. Then you'll be telling us how your main halyard broke on your second sail.

I'd suggest calling or emailing one of those dealers and tell them you're on a limited budget. Decide what you need and compare prices. We have 1/4" line we refer to as "junk line" at the shop, and use it for everything where a piece of line is needed to tie something off. To me, it looks exactly like what used to be used for tramp lacing, and I've put it on several of my personal boats. You obviously don't need the best of the best lines but will be well ahead, in the long run, if you purchase a marine grade product. I've seen too many boats with failed halyards, tramp lacing and poorly operating sheeting systems because someone was trying to save a buck.
Author:  MBounds [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
Main Halyard (non-Comptip) - 27' 3/16" Marlow Super Pre-stretch - $11.07
Jib Halyard (non-Aussie) - 20' 3/16" Marlow Super Pre-stretch - $8.20
Jib Sheet - 32' 1/4" Sampson Trophy Braid - $21.12
Main Sheet - 44' 5/16" Sampson Trophy Braid - $37.40
Outhaul / downhaul use the same line as the halyards (13' x 3/16")
Trapeze adjuster lines can use the same line as the halyards (3'6" x 3/16" x 4)
Tramp lacings - can use same line as halyards (15' + 15' + 19' x 3/16")

Buy 110 feet of the halyard line + the two different sizes of sheets + shock cords for the trapezes and you'll spend in the neighborhood of $100 on new lines.

All the lines listed above are polyester and quite UV resistant. They should last several years in the weather.

Do not kid yourself that the stuff at Home Depot or Lowes is suitable for this. Most of the stuff they sell is polypropylene - kinks badly and not UV resistant.

Prices above came from Annapolis Performance Sailing. They also have great deals in their "sale line" section. http://www.apsltd.com
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
MBounds wrote:
Main Halyard (non-Comptip) - 27' 3/16" Marlow Super Pre-stretch - $11.07
Jib Halyard (non-Aussie) - 20' 3/16" Marlow Super Pre-stretch - $8.20
Jib Sheet - 32' 1/4" Sampson Trophy Braid - $21.12
Main Sheet - 44' 5/16" Sampson Trophy Braid - $37.40
Outhaul / downhaul use the same line as the halyards (13' x 3/16")
Trapeze adjuster lines can use the same line as the halyards (3'6" x 3/16" x 4)
Tramp lacings - can use same line as halyards (15' + 15' + 19' x 3/16")

Buy 110 feet of the halyard line + the two different sizes of sheets + shock cords for the trapezes and you'll spend in the neighborhood of $100 on new lines.

All the lines listed above are polyester and quite UV resistant. They should last several years in the weather.

Do not kid yourself that the stuff at Home Depot or Lowes is suitable for this. Most of the stuff they sell is polypropylene - kinks badly and not UV resistant.


Pretty much what MB said. The Marlow is getting difficult to find as it is discontinued. The FSE 8 plait dingy is avail and great for that application. Get at least 2 different colors, one for the main and jib halyards, then the outhaul and downhaul can be the same, or just get a third color.

For tramp lacing use the 1/4" lone in the Hobie catalog, not much beats it for longevity and price. $.45 per foot. MB's lengths are right assuming you don't have a double grommeted center tramp lacing. Use this line for trap adjustments as well.

Use the black double stretch shock cord in the catalog, it will last way longer than the white with black with white fleck.

By ordering from a Hobie Dealer rather than APS, you can chat with someone that will actually be able to help you rig your boat. I spend a good portion of my day helping customers that are new to Hobies and I know a lot of other dealers do the same. If you want some help with the specifics of rigging your boat, call a dealer.
Author:  MUST5429 [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: running rigging-any knowlegable preferences
Under the heading of "ya gets what ya pays for", when you buy from a Dealer or a supplier that deals with Hobies and Hobie Sailors on a regular basis, you get a LOT more than what you pay for.

I'm talking about wisdom, and guidance.

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.

Your profile doesn't say what area of the country you call home, but before you start spending your hard earned $$$ with anyone, it would be worth your while to try and hook up with someone from the local fleet or someone from your area that is on one of the forums like this, and gather some hard earned advice.
It would be a wise investment of time to learn from the previously made, & expensive mistakes of others.

Spending some time chatting with a fellow hobie owner will save you many $$$ in both the short and the long run. As a added benefit, you will probably make some new friends.

When refurbishing, rigging and sailing Hobies, knowlegeable friends are priceless.

Stephen
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