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Author:  splash [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:28 am ]
Post subject:  Some more harness issues
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I'll let my customers walk down to the beach and trap off of my boat on the sand.
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Surf City Catamarans
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Is it safe to do this? I have just purchased this harness
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I´ve never been out on the wire before so I wanted to try this out to get the feel!! but is´nt this dangerous? Wont it put lots of load on mast and rigging? I thought it was only safe to hang out...when the boat is sailing and the sail is applying oposite preasure to me hanging out...


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Changing the subject...the spreader hook on this harness has a kind of metal piece that clicks down... I suppose to keep the dogbone from unhooking? Seems scarry be so tied to the boat...Any ideas advice.
Should I remove this part and leave a "standard" hook as I´m a novice at trapezeing.


Harryw if there is any info you want on this harness or any closeup photos let me know!
I think mine is a medium and I´m 1,85metres tall and 94Kilograms

Thanks
Author:  John Eaton [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:49 am ]
Post subject: 
Nice stuff!! 8)

What Jeremy meant is someone goes with to hold the trapeze wire on the other side, to keep the boat from tipping over. :shock:

I highly recommend practice of getting in and out, hooking and unhooking several times on land. Can save a mistake on the water due to unfamiliarity that may involve a swim.
Author:  Hobie Nick [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:19 am ]
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Also, when you are not trapping out under sail, keep in mind that the sail is exerting substanitally more force on the mast than you would trying out a trap on the beach. The problem you should be worried about is capsizing on the beach if no one is counterbalancing you.

And yes, try it out on land a few times. Especially if you will be solo the first few times while trapping.

Trapping in a good, steady wind is probably one of the most exciting things I have done... especially when flying a hull nice and high.
Author:  splash [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:47 am ]
Post subject:  understood but what about the other thing...the hook..
I´ll get someone to sit on the opposite hull
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  counterweight
Yea, Just have someone sit on the opposite hull. I only use my boat for this operation because I know the exact condition of my rigging and hardware--Good! It's an FX-ONE. I used to use my 18 and 16.
I did see one person fall on their duff on the beach one time while practicing trapping. Not on my boat, but on an ancient H16 that he reserected from the weeds. It had the original shrouds and forestay and trap wires he made at his local big box marine suplier. Which brings me to my next point... Just spend the $32 at your local Hobie dealer and get some new shrouds and pro-made trapwires. I get calls all the time from people trying to save a buck by making their own. Unless you have an often calibrated swage tool and know what you're doing, just pony up. The rigging bench up at your local marine box store does not count! I can't tell you how many home-made shrouds I've seen fail.
Check your anchor pins too. From what I see, old, work-hardened anchor pins are the #1 source of rig failure. I'm not an alamist, this is experience talking.
I got off topic slightly, but it's good stuff to talk about. :D
Hopefully that clears things up a bit!
Author:  splash [ Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:55 am ]
Post subject:  Anyone know more about the metal clip thing on the hook??
Quote:
the spreader hook on this harness has a kind of metal piece that clicks down... I suppose to keep the dogbone from unhooking? Seems scarry be so tied to the boat...Any ideas advice.
Should I remove this part and leave a "standard" hook as I´m a novice at trapezeing.
Author:  MBounds [ Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:31 am ]
Post subject: 
Remove the metal keeper. It's more trouble than it's worth.
Author:  splash [ Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Woooowww fist time out on the wire today
What a experience...what confort :)

Anyone else agree with Mbounds? sould I remove that part?
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  harness
Remove it!
Author:  sunjammers [ Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:07 am ]
Post subject: 
I love the little clip. There is nothing better than being out on the tramp and then falling in the water because that stupid clip did not allow the dog bone to be fully seated. Or that lovely moment when you go to tack and you can't get out of the bone and the boat blows back on you cuz u'r on the wrong side! Other than these 2 incidents I like it......REMOVE IT ASAP!

Thanks,
Brad Stephens
www.sunjammers.com
Hobie Division 15 Chairman
Authorized Hobie/Vanguard/Hunter Dealer
[email protected]
850-235-2281
Panama City Beach, FL
Author:  ncmbm [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:16 am ]
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The clip keeps the dogbone engaged when sitting. In shifty wind where you are in and out on the wire it can save your butt. It will release if you capsize. I would leave it on. I have seen too many people hold the handle, back off the hull, release the handle and fall into the water because the dogbone wasn't engaged. Its a safety device. I use J&H handles which are large and will release easily. Look at the Aquata Equipe XT when you buy a second harness for your crew. I find them to be the best available for a reasonable price.
Author:  MBounds [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:24 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
I have seen too many people hold the handle, back off the hull, release the handle and fall into the water because the dogbone wasn't engaged.


Yeah, I did that with my brand-new Magic Marine harness at Midwinter's East - BECAUSE THE STUPID F---ING CLIP KEPT THE J&H HANDLE FROM SEATING FULLY ON THE HOOK! :evil:

Kerspash! :shock: Depth charge!

Lost a lens out of my Kaenon glasses ($95) and broke the Hotstick with my face (yes, it did leave a mark).

That clip got thrown in the water as soon as I got back to the beach.
Author:  sunjammers [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:09 am ]
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wait Matt, now I know what I cut my foot on, your stupid metal thingy from your harness, see yet another reason they should stop making these things. I have also broke 2 sticks from that hook, yes I know I am a slow learner but I figured it out after the 2nd time, about 30 min later...lets see 2 fx4's broke all because a little metal clip......

Thanks,
Brad Stephens
www.sunjammers.com
Hobie Division 15 Chairman
Authorized Hobie/Vanguard/Hunter Dealer
[email protected]
850-235-2281
866-sun-jamm
Panama City Beach, FL
Author:  Dan DeLave [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:33 am ]
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On an evening sail a new crew went Kerspash! Shocked Depth charge! When she thought she was hooked in. We were going downwind spinnaker up and near rocks. That clip was the culprit. I almost lost my boat on the rocks a week before the Tiger Worlds. If I was not able to right it myself it was all over. Current going one way and wind going opposite worrying about my crew the whole time as I lost sight of her. Got her back okay. They will not be allowed on my boat again.

Later,
Dan
Author:  ncmbm [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:13 am ]
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I've been sailing over two decades with the clips on my harnesses and never had a problem. Hobie harnesses, Murray harnesses and now Aquata. Maybe I've just been lucky. How about the Trap ball set-up, no hook to damage hulls?
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