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Author:  Gringo [ Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  'nuther dumb question re: boomless
I havent sailed a Hobie without a boom. How do you keep the main spread out in a wing and wing downwind? do you lose effective sail surface area?
Author:  xavier [ Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:26 pm ]
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Main sails on Hobie's boomless boats have full battens, so that even without a boom, the sail keeps its shape, whether sheeted in or sheeted out.
Author:  Gringo [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:50 am ]
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Author:  xavier [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:11 am ]
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Yeah and it sure saves your cranium during unintended jibes :shock:
Author:  Gringo [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:05 am ]
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Its way too late for my cranium...but nice to know my crew has a shot at a normal life.
Author:  ncmbm [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:05 am ]
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Hobies shouldn't be sailed wing and wing downwind, thats a monoslug move. Much too slow. Should always run at angle downwind never dead down.
Author:  hobie1616 [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:42 am ]
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ncmbm wrote:
Hobies shouldn't be sailed wing and wing downwind, thats a monoslug move. Much too slow. Should always run at angle downwind never dead down.
Not necessarily. Took a flyer and ran from A to C mark. Went from major DFL to 3rd place in a ten-boat fleet. Boat speed must be balanced with tactical advantage or, get your head out of the boat.
Author:  John Eaton [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:03 am ]
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hobie1616 wrote:
ncmbm wrote:
Hobies shouldn't be sailed wing and wing downwind, thats a monoslug move. Much too slow. Should always run at angle downwind never dead down.
Not necessarily. Took a flyer and ran from A to C mark. Went from major DFL to 3rd place in a ten-boat fleet. Boat speed must be balanced with tactical advantage or, get your head out of the boat.


Back in the mid-80's the wing on wing DDW idea was proven wrong. Running at angles and jibing back into the puffs was proven the fastest way from the windward to the leeward mark.

That said, depending on whether or not your competition has THEIR "head out of the boat" or not is the question. In sailing this higher course, it's not hard to sail right out of the puffs and wait too long to gybe back, losing lots of boatlengths in the process. A good sailor, on any point of sail, may pass lots of less experienced opponents.
Author:  The Dog [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:53 am ]
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In a deep downwind heading, a boomless sail will still spill more wind out of the head of the sail than a boomed sail.

And while wing and wing may be a dumb racing move on a cat, it's still a technique every skipper should practice occasionally.

Brian C
Author:  DougHobie17 [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Depends on Wind and Tides
It depends on wind and tide action. As said you must look around and see your progress and which works better, There have been times in very light air when I HAVE gone straight downwind on 17, even with just the main.

Doug Snell
Author:  widerisbetter [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:25 am ]
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xavier wrote:
Main sails on Hobie's boomless boats have full battens, so that even without a boom, the sail keeps its shape, whether sheeted in or sheeted out.


X-man - don't the "boomless" sails also have a batten running along the foot -in effect a "lightweight boom"? I can't remember although I have sailed a boomless 17.

Sailing 17's with and without a boom, side by side, I prefer the boom for getting the optimum sail shape for better performance upwind and abeam. However, the boomless seemed a hair quicker off the wind. The Dog says it spills more wind but I think the sail gets better "fill", like a spinnaker.

Winging it is fun, and a great move if you are relaxing and simply need to get your apparent wind down to '0' so that you can warm up or pour a drink, or light a small cigarette, or all three :roll: . But in a race or a hurry, the broad reach is still your fastest point of sail, especially if you can get a hull up, and will get you downhill a lot faster than a run.

Happy sails 8)
Author:  ratface [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:46 am ]
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are Hobie 14's meant to have a kicker or do they not need one?

i was told the mainsheet acts like the kicker but was unsure of this
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