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EPO 2s -- Kevlar or Carbon?
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Author:  nelson.peter [ Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  EPO 2s -- Kevlar or Carbon?
OK, so what is the word on the street about the new EPO 2s? One is carbon; the other is carbon/kevlar. Same price. So why did the company go to the all the hassle of making two blades that are almost identical?

Because of the word "almost". So what is the difference? What is the preference of all the hot racers?
Author:  mmadge [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:00 am ]
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I have the carbon kevlar and really like them.Our buddy Slim(div.) 7 has the carbon ones and seems to make them work pretty well.Though I am pretty sure on his new boat he wants to go to the carbon kevlar.I think they just look cooler.It is the Gucci look,and as every one knows it is not how fast you are it is how you look.That way when you have a bad race you still look good.
Author:  Karl Brogger [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:12 am ]
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I have a set of Kevlar EPO's. Just a matter of preference, I don't think there is any performace or weight difference between the two.
Author:  Doc Thirst [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:48 am ]
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mmadge wrote:
It is the Gucci look,and as every one knows it is not how fast you are it is how you look.That way when you have a bad race you still look good.


I don't know man, ever been in a pool hall when a bad player brings his own cue? Its pretty ruthless!
Author:  nelson.peter [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:18 am ]
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It seems odd that a company would go to all the hassle & cost of making two ALMOST identical blades at the same price unless there was a performance difference. Sailors aren't that fashion conscious!

So if you put them on your boat, does it mean you have to sail upwind with the weather rudder up just so you can show off your Gucci blades? What's next? -- Louis Vuitton trap harnesses?
Author:  MBounds [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:36 am ]
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Sailors aren't that fashion conscious!


You've got to be kidding me! Everybody knows you have to look good to go fast!

Really, there's no real differences between the two EPO's other than the first layer of cloth laid into the mold.

BTW, you'll notice in the latest Hobie Catalog the note next to the Carbon/Kevlar version "Only available to stock on hand." Apparently, they have discontinued production of the Carbon/Kevlar blades.
Author:  tjp [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:46 am ]
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nelson.peter wrote:
What's next? -- Louis Vuitton trap harnesses?

Matching Coach harness/PFD/splashsuit sets. Shhhhh, don't let Laura find out!
Author:  nelson.peter [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:01 am ]
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Thanks, Matt.

Does that mean that now that the Kevlar/Carbon are out of production that they'll be worth more in a few years, just like the old EPOs? :)

Still baffles me that they would even offer up something like that.
Author:  Karl Brogger [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:58 pm ]
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nelson.peter wrote:
So if you put them on your boat, does it mean you have to sail upwind with the weather rudder up just so you can show off your Gucci blades?


Downwind. :wink:
Author:  MBounds [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:08 pm ]
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Upwind:
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Author:  rjack22 [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Black rudders
The rudders on our (new to us) Hobie 16 have black rudders. What kind do I have? How do you tell?
Author:  Karl Brogger [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:46 pm ]
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MBounds wrote:
Upwind:
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Fine :oops: :lol:
Author:  MBounds [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Black rudders
rjack22 wrote:
The rudders on our (new to us) Hobie 16 have black rudders. What kind do I have? How do you tell?


There are five different type of "black" rudders:

Original EPOs - made from 1984-89 - have a very smooth, hard, solid charcoal colored finish, are very light and stiff. If they've been left out in the sun, the glass fibers start showing through and they get grayer. If in very good condition, they may still have the foil label on the trailing edge near the head that says "EPO 864" on it.

Black Plastic - Very common, heavy, often have a light textured finish. Can see whorls in the head from the injection process. Flexible. An inexpensive alternative to high-end racing blades. However, helm feel and heavy air control is much improved with a racing blade.

Black Racer - not that common, are in-between EPO and plastic in weight. Have a softer, gel coat finish. Stiff but easily chipped.

European Carbon - clear finish shows carbon weave, grey "Hobie Cat" lettering on each side. (The photo of the Heineken boat above has Euro Carbon rudders)

EPO2 (Carbon and Carbon/Kevlar) - clear finish shows fabric weave, EPO logo. (You can see the EPO logo on both of the other photos above if you look carefully.)

These are just the ones that Hobie Cat has made. Back in the '70's and early '80's, there was a thriving aftermarket for fiberglass rudder blades in all sorts of colors, including black.
Author:  Sail Revolution [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:38 pm ]
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Also one cool thing to note. Most of the euro carbon blades have stainless tube glued into the rudder bolt holes, so the holes won't get wallowed out--ever. They must be done on a jig as they are square! Pretty freakin cool. They are also around .5# lighter each.

I just got a used set of the rare black racer rudders, they're nice looking!
Should I sell em Matt?
Author:  hobieokc [ Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:15 am ]
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What about the ABS? Are you considering those the black racers? I have a set for my 17 and yes, they are stiff, but very heavy. I have been told that they are prone to shattering.
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