yakkingaway wrote:
And I've got one of the newer Outbacks and until recently had one of the old hulls. Very different. The pictures are the answer. New hull is stable. I myself had no problem with the old hull...
Having just sold my 08 Outback which was used only 11 times, now I can provide some honest feedback. I hated the new hull design.
The wave slapping on the underside of the new Outback hull caused loud irritating noises when it should have been quiet. The old hull design never had the noise problem for my weight.
I got soaked by spray generated by a 3 inch chop pushed by 15 mph winds pedaling the new hull. Also, when a rogue wave was headed at the kayak from the side, it was easy to shift the hip on the old hull design to tilt the kayak which would raise the hull height on the offending side half a foot or more deflecting the wave instead of letting it crash over the kayak. The new hull is too darn stable to allow easy hip tilting without moving the body's center of gravity. The end result is I was getting soaked more often due to the new hull design. Ironically, I once complained about the wet butt problem in the Adventure with it's old design. Whatever Hobie changed in the Adventure hull design, I was now staying dry in conditions that were getting me soaked in the Outback - a complete reversal.
I used to brag about sitting high in the water in the Outback. When regular sit in kayakers were putting on spray skirts to keep dry, I was still paddling the old hull design without getting wet. The high sides are great for helping to keep a person dry but unfortunately, something went wrong on the new design of the bow for varying weights. The bow was the weak link for me.
There were numerous problems fixed, like sources of leaks, method of holding down the Pedal Unit, and the rudder being hard to engage - all good changes.
The old hull design with no handles was easy to throw around solo but the new hull design put handles in an off balanced position so it was always awkward to move the kayak solo without extra stress on the wrists to try to keep it level.
The Outback is really a fishing boat and I do recognize it needs stability and that should take priority. It also needs the high sides to accommodate up to 400 pounds. The Quest and Outback are mostly designed for Fishermen, and Pro Angler is totally designed for Fishermen. The Adventure is designed for sailing with a daggerboard slot and a place to attach amas.
I wonder when Hobie will design a performance oriented Mirage kayak for speed? Fisherman now have 3 models, Performance Kayak models - 0