Very similar. Not sure exactly. Someone have one they can measure. I don't have both in my office.
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| Author: | jwitt [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Turning problem with '06 Outback |
On occasion, my Outback wants to go left when I don't ( I'm a Republican). Usually, in a decent swell off the California Coast, it will start to turn left. Full right rudder won't correct it. I end up making a 360 degree turn. It has never done the same to the right. I believe it tends to do it on flat lake water, also. The rudder is adjusted properly. Has anyone had any similiar problems? Any larger rudder mods for the Outback. May help with my sail kit which I haven't tried as yet. The only good thing with the 360 degree turns is that my companions (without Mirage drives) believe that I am circling and waiting for them to catch up. Thanks, JIM |
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| Author: | Apalach [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:37 pm ] |
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Interesting--I have had the same problem on occasion with this hard-to-port maneuver in my '04 OB, and (politics aside) have no clue what caused it. The rudder did not respond to the rudder control at all. I finally had to un-bungee the paddle (horrors!) and do a strong starboard back-paddle in order to get the bloody thing back on track. As soon as I did the reverse paddle, the OB snapped out of it, the rudder control worked again, and the boat returned to course. Veddy strange! |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rudder control |
Perhaps the drive fins straight down can add to rudder control (like a dagger board). Hold both pedals together for a moment or use short strokes with pedals centered through turns. |
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| Author: | Apalach [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:17 am ] |
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Hmm, Matt--didn't think of that. Will have to do a bit of experimentation to see if I can replicate it, but it sure was a strange sensation at the time. Thanks. Dick |
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| Author: | New2Yak [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:25 pm ] |
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I have found on my Sport that if I keep fins straight down, my turning is inhibited. I usually spread my pedals far apart and do quick small strokes while cutting my rudder full right or left. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Fins |
Fins straight down should add a pivot point to steer on. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Steering |
Ahhh... Unless you are decelerating? As the boat slows down it would be natural for it to turn. Especially with the drives drag up forward. |
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| Author: | New2Yak [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:49 pm ] |
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By default, when doing this test, holding the pedals together or apart, you are decelerating, unless flutter stepping. I could swear I tried both flutter steps, pedals together and pedals apart, and apart yielded the tightest turn radius. Looks like I'll have to repeat the test next time I'm out. By the way, Matt, still waiting for someone to answer my question on how the AI pedals with sail furled. Still go 7mph? More effort? No difference between Adv and AI when pedaling because amas are out of water? Just curious. |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Pedal the AI? |
Pedal the AI? Certainly there will be more drag and windage. The AI will slow more quickly when you stop pedaling, but the effort to pedal is not that much more than an Adventure hull only. |
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| Author: | jwitt [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:06 pm ] |
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Thanks for the replies. I have tried the short, quick strokes near centered. I'll try leaving the fins centered for the dagger board effect. Does it too often for my likeing and never to the right. JIM |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Turns |
The only other conclusion is an asymmetrical bottom shape? |
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| Author: | jwitt [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:34 pm ] |
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Assymetrical, I hope not. I'll check with a straight edge in different areas. Matt, can you advise the difference in cockpit width between the Outback and the AI in the area of the seat? I really want to order an AI, but if it's much narrower it might not work for me. JIM |
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| Author: | mmiller [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Difference? |
Very similar. Not sure exactly. Someone have one they can measure. I don't have both in my office.
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| Author: | The Dog [ Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:07 am ] |
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Sounds like you need my office, Matt.... Adventure cockpit: ~15.5 - 16 inches Outback: ~17.5 - 18 inches Basically measured 6" in front of the seat back about 1" above the deck. Brian C |
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