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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:18 pm 
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I'd like to continue the discussion on this. Not to criticize Hobie or rant but just better understand the industry and the decisions about what boats are marketed and sold. First, I love my Wave, for the following primary reasons:
1. It fits in my garage
2. I can easily move it, rig it and sail it myself
3. It is basically indestructible so I take it everywhere. Beach launch, boat ramp, carry it over rocks to lakes, oceans, bays, harbors, and I don't stress about it
4. I'm a trailer sailor and I can go from trailer to sailing in about 30 minutes

What I am lacking is pure performance. If I am sailing by myself, I am only interested in 15+ knots of wind or it just isn't all that exciting. My vision of flying a hull trapped out just isn't possible on the Wave, at least not for me. The main picture on the T1 page shows the vision I have in my head of what I want. I've looked into adding a jib to the Wave but the general consensus seems to be that it won't make much difference.

So this is the question: What boat does Hobie think I should buy? A Hobie 16 for $12k+? For a 40 year old design? Find a used H16? Good used ones are hard to find. A Getaway? A used H17? A used F18? A T2? I would love to hear the answer. Am I the only one that wants more performance but doesn't want an H16? On paper the T1 seems to be the holy grail.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:39 am 
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The answer is probably a NACRA 460 and a missed opportunity for Hobie.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:36 am 
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The T1 is not a big increase in performance and one of the reasons we have not duplicated that range in the US line up. Plus... the Wave ain't broke...

The options in the US are H16 or Getaway.

We have made decisions based on saleability. You can not have every possible option available and keep costs low. We have to build boats in larger batches to make any production sense.

You can ask a dealer about special ordering from the French line... I don't have that information. It varies by region.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:07 pm 
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Wave vs. T1 performance is similar? I guess it must be me. Can somebody send me some pictures of a grown adult doing this on a Wave?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:36 pm 
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You can trapeze from a Hobie 14 too... when it's really windy. Has more to do with the rig height and the placement of the mast further aft. The sail areas are not that different. The Wave is pretty quick when windy and hiking.

Wave:
Sail Area: 95 ft² / 9.0 m²
(Optional Jib is 25 Sq Ft)

T1:
Mainsail Area: 9 m² / 96.9 ft²
Jib Sail Area: 2.25 m² / 24.2 ft²

I am told (by the guy in the photo / Jacques) that they are pretty similar in lower winds, but he does like the feel when really windy and he can trapeze.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:02 pm 
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WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING??? I Love it!! Where is there info on it?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:30 am 
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xanderwess wrote:
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING??? I Love it!! Where is there info on it?

Only sold in Europe at the moment - here's the Euro web link: https://www.hobie.com/xe/en/sail/t1/

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:12 am 
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Europeans get all the cool stuff. That was you flying a hull trapped out? I would guess the tang is not on the comp tip like the wave.


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