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 Post subject: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:03 am 
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Hi,

My cousin and I are trying to repair an old Hobie Cat F18 that our fathers bought 15 years ago.

We have cleaned and assembled the boat (it was in very bad shape), but - unfortunately- one daggerboard + the mainsail are beyond repair :(

Do any of you know a cheap (secondhand) way to buy these two parts? (a new daggerboard costs around 750 euros :? )

All tips are welcome :)

Thanks in advance,
Jerome & Bas

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:27 am 
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Make sure you know what boat you have before you start buying parts....

That is not a Hobie F18. That is the original Hobie 18 (sometimes referred to as the Hobie 18 SE) which was introduced in the 1970's. http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12780

The F18 boats are the Tiger (introduced in the 1990's) and the Wildcat (introduced in the 2000's).

For buying used parts, there are several different classifieds on the internet. There is one on this forum. There is also one on thebeachcats.com. You can also check ebay. Your local Hobie dealer may even have some old parts laying around that he's looking to unload for cheap.

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:52 pm 
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I would have alook here:
http://www.bnrwatersport.nl/catamaran-parts-hobiecat/catamaran-parts-hobiecat-18.html

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:10 am 
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Call Johan from Hobiecat Holland

http://www.hobiecat.nl

Or try http://www.sail4u.be/home

And BNR mentioned by Matt

And it is not a Hobie F18 but a H18

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:39 am 
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Thanks for the help!

Good to know that it's not a Formula 18, we were misinformed apparently.

I'm gonna give you a call Johan! (Zou je je nummer willen doorsturen in een persoonlijk bericht? :) bedankt alvast!)

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:44 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:42 am 
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Hi Jerome & Bas!

Yes, it's not a F18 but a Hobie 18. These came in several different versions though. By the looks of the daggerboard cases (shorter for narrower daggers, i.e. higher aspect ratio compared to standard Hobie 18) it looks as if it could be a Hobie 18 Formula (not to be mixed up with the Hobie F18 (Tiger & Wildcat).

The Hobie 18 Formula was produced by Hobie Europe based in France. As you are based in Belgium the posssibility is not slim that that's what you got. I got one myself. Some signs that can guide you (except from the narrower dagger cases) are a longer mast compared to a standard Hobie 18 and radial cut mainsail out of mylar. There should also be a riveted manufacturing plate at one of the crossbars (can't remember which one...) that says Hobie Europe, Touloun, France or something similar. You can also compare the parts diagram located in the product support pages on http://www.hobiecat.com/xe/en/support/hobie-18/ (these are for the US made versions of the Hobie 18's) and compare these with this one of a Hobie 18 Formula http://www.hobie-cat.net/download/part_guides/hc18.pdf

As a side note, an easy way (amongst several other differences) to differentiate the F18's from the earlier Hobie 18's is the fact that all F18's have strate crossbars whereas the Hobie 18's in all of their different versions have konvex ones (arched upwards).


Hope you get your cat sorted out to go saililng!

Brgds from a chilly Gothenburg in Sweden

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:30 am 
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Coast Catamaran introduced the Hobie Alter/Phil Edwards designed HOBIE 18 in 1977. I remember seeing my first one at the 1977 Ancient Mariner Regatta in Newport Beach, California. During it's production run, Hobie introduced variants of the original 18 by adding Hobie 17 style wings, taller masts and mylar sails. These were known as the HOBIE 18 SX and HOBIE 18 Magnum. Hull graphics sometimes had "HOBIE 18 Formula" on them. These HOBIE 18 Formula variants should not be confused with Hobie Cat Europe entries into the International Formula 18 class. Hobie's first F18 design boat was the Tiger...introduced in 1995. Hobie's second generation and current F18 design is the Wildcat, which was introduced in 2009 and is still in production.

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:36 am 
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Thanks for all the help!


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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:32 pm 
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Hobiecat europe had a few variations from the US market. There is a Hobie 18 Formula, as stated, that is not an F18. I believe there was also a version with the 17 style daggers, or at least someone modded their boat as such... Hobie Europe does all sorts of weird things, H13, H15 etc.


When getting your sail, make sure it fits whatever mast you have. In the US, a lot of Hobie 18SX boats had their masts traded out for Hobie 18SE masts or Hobie 18SE boats had Hobie 18SX wings installed. (The point here, is that the sails are not interchangeable.)

http://www.santanita.de/hc18f/index.html


There are some pictures of a different H18 at that site.


Europeans got all the cool new toys.

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:51 pm 
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For the US Variants of the Hobie 18, a lot of the parts are available on ebay, used, at about half the original cost. Still pricey, but better than the alternative. Not sure about the european variant, but it's worth a look.

Sails are easy enough to get significantly cheaper used, but usually their useful life is just about used up by that point. Be careful and inspect before you buy if possible. However, an old sail can still provide plenty of sailing enjoyment, so long as it's not torn or fraying, and most of the stitching is still intact. If you're just looking for some fun on the water, it's definitely worth a look. Just be a little scrutinizing and make sure that you have the right sail for your mast!

In the US, there were the "standard" H18 masts and the H18SX mast, which was 18" (~45cm) taller. The sails were not interchangeable between the two. If the H18 Formula did indeed have a different mast height, you'll want to check and find out what mast you have and whether or not the sails you're looking at are right for your mast. If you're really unsure, measure the distance from the sail feeder on the mast to the halyard hook at the top, and make sure that whatever sail you're about to purchase is about the same length on the luff (forward side, where the boltrope is).

Hope that helps, and happy sailing! The H18 is a blast to sail!

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 Post subject: Re: Repairing F18
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:04 pm 
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The center board here looks far nicer than the standard H18. Tacking the H18 with the standard center boards is real crappy. These long boards sort of similar to the Tiger is what the H18 requires for it to turn on a ticky.

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