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 Post subject: Ropes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:07 am 
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If someone was to rig there own Hawaiian style righting system do you need a special kind do of rope or can I just buy a good quality rope from home depot? I was curious about the rope that is used to lace the trampoline as well. I bought a used 16 and the lacing rope looks bigger than what I have seen used. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:12 am 
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Rope???? If it's on a sailboat, it's called a "line".

For the righting line, the best stuff to use is called "hollow braid". It's soft, large diameter, and you can slide bungee cord inside it to make your righting line snap back. It's available through Murrays...

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For tramp lacing, any low stretch, high quality line will do. I prefer to use New England Ropes Sta-Set line as it is inexpensive, good quality, and available a West Marine. 1/4" diameter is a good size for tramp lacing.

Don't purchase line from Home Depot, it's garbage and not something you would want to use on a boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:14 pm 
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Thanks srm. My language shows what a newbie I am :) lines for now on.


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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:50 pm 
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Hollow braid won't work well with an Hawaiian system as it won't go through the block at the end of the bungee that keeps the line from dragging in the water.

Use some inexpensive 1/4 inch yacht braid line. Tie some knots in it so you have something to grip when righting the boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:24 pm 
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skip the hawiian and just put a length of 10-12 ft of rope (thick soft) and tie it to the center post of the dolphin striker. Then coil it and stuff it in a tramp pocket. Pull it out and flip it over the raised hull to right the boat.


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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:21 am 
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Lines people, lines! Lol. My boat came to me with the Hawaiian style righting system already installed and it looks to be a really nice system. I haven't had to use it yet. Lol. Why bother with having to untie a line and throw it over a hull, when a system is available that allows you to right the boat without a lot of extra work? I would stick with the system that makes the job of righting easier. Hawaiian. Seems easier to me anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:26 am 
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I agree HobieMarty. I had it on my H16. I wish I could install it on my 84 Nacra 5.2.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:24 pm 
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HobieMarty, Your photos show the easy rite system, with the shock cord inside the rope. The Hawaiian system requires a solid rope and pulleys set up under the tramp along with a shock cord to retract it when not in use. Either system is easy to reach when needed and is out of the way when not.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:13 pm 
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There are shock cords and pulleys under the tramp. The blue and white line doesn't have shock cord in the center and runs from the rudder pins, around the front pylons, turns aft, goes through a pulley block which is secured to bungees, one secured to the dolphin striker and the other short line is secured to the eyelet on the rear crossbar. You can see most of it in this picture.

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 Post subject: Re: Ropes
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:38 pm 
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I always use sailing line. It is much higher quality than anything you can get in either Home Depot or Lowes. Others just don't hold up well if you are getting the proper tension in the tramp lacing. A necessity for a good stiff boat.
As far as recovery systems, I have tried the knotted rope, the bungee inside the loose cover (whatever it's called) and the Hawaiian system. I prefer the Hawaiian. With the knotted line my arms are always tiring from hanging on. The Hawaiian you can hook into your trap harness and lean back. I can also get more physical as I do not have the weak link of my tired arms in the system. You also have the flexibility to move forward or aft on the hull with the Hawaiian or bungee set-ups. With the bungee one I could never get a full snap back and self stow with the length of line I needed for leaning out as far as I wanted. Probably my rigging problem, but I could never get it just right. It was also hard to get it into the hook on my harness and then I was unable to slide back and forth to change position on the hull. The large cover trapped the hook in one place when weight was applied.
With the Hawaiian and bungee, make sure the line is rigged outside the shrouds (voice of experience). Another story.


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