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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:44 am 
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Location: SE Michigan
So, since I have an 84 H16 with mostly original parts other than the upgrades the former owner added, I really should replace the standing rigging. There's lots of threads and and great information on that.

The open item that I haven't seen addressed: Since I have a furling jib, how do I replace the rigging in the jib sail?

I believe I'm looking for a jibstay, but I haven't seen that part listed anywhere. What do I need to consider addressing with the furler itself and the upper swivel?

This forum is awesome. You all have saved us so much headache and frustration over the summer!! We're starting to get comfy on the H16, and after a couple nice runs Sat/Sun, my wife wondered, "Why haven't we done this every weekend this summer?" We're timid thrill seekers. Watching others with less caution crash and burn, has convinced us that our cautious natures are probably healthy. We did enjoy getting it going and burying the leeward hull over the weekend, but trying the trapeze will be several more trips away. We have the original harnesses and bright shiny wire sitting in the box for next year since our sailing season ends this month as the temperatures drop.

Here's my winter plan for you to pick apart--to prepare for next spring I'm planning to buy new standing rigging, repair the custom trampoline bags by fitting new zippers, and replace the shock cord in the Hawaiian righting lines. The maybe list is replacing the anchor pin/bar, mast shackles, and replacing the trampoline line. The tramp is custom with fancy bags up front. The mesh is in excellent condition, but the shock cord is aging--so it looks good, until suddenly it isn't. I'm thinking about restringing it with line rather than shock cord. The control lines still look good. I replaced my rudder cams last weekend, found/fixed a broken upper gudgeon (still can't pronounce that correctly), and still have a bit more tuning to do for the rudders. I should probably clean the sails and remove/repair/replace the logos that are falling off.

I suppose the other important thing would be to find some nice people to sail with and learn from. It should be faster than trial and error. I still haven't got a good feel for how to trim the sails for different points of sail. I'm thinking about attending a local cat regatta (CRAM); although, we're not really interested in racing.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:52 am 
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Location: Nepean S.C. Ottawa, Canada
My suggestions are that your Winter list should include:
#1 New shroud anchor pins (for safety)
#2 complete rudder servicing/re-build, including tiller bar connections,
new rudder pins etc. (for improved performance)
#3 All the other stuff on your list.

A dealer can help with your jib stay parts.

enjoy and plan for next season....
the more you race, the more you'll learn.
It's not about winning, it's about the journey and the people.

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'Only two things are infinite, the universe, and human stupidity. But I'm not sure about the former.'

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:31 am
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Location: Michigan
Where in Southeast Michigan do you sail?

Some tips for winter that may help:
I would agree with you on changing out the tramp shock cord line for some no/low stretch line, it will stiffen the boat up, when you lace it up next spring

Make sure you drain your hulls as completely as possible before storage.

If you store your boat out side: strip off your tramp,(your going to that anyway) all your lines, and wires, tiller/hotstick if you got one (make sure you put a wire tie or bolt in the tiller mount on the rudder crossbar to keep the inside reinforcement bar centered on the inside of the rudder cross bar). store that stuff inside.
2 reasons: It gives you a chance two look things over real good, and it keeps them out of the weather. It will keep snow from potentially damaging/stretching out the tramp, your lines from getting dirty, mildewing, etc. Your wires are optional, but I always take mine off, and will even now that my shrouds have black plastic/vinyl coating. Coil the standing rig wires all togeather, then the trapeze wires set(s) togeather as in groups, in a 2-3' circle and wire tie them up.
Get some armourall or F21 super pertectant from turtle wax(vinyl, rubber, plastic polymer) and generously put on any plastic and rubber on the boat and Mast. It will put mosture back in them from the sun taking it out. I do this in the fall and spring, but once an off season works good too. I just spray it on, and let it soak in.

Its OK to be conservative about your sailing, it all comes as you are comfortable and as you see fit. When you go over, its extra work to get it back over, although it does'nt hurt to go over,to be able to work at knowing how to right it. If you go out in heavy winds, it requires real alert observation, decisive thinking and more aggressive action/reactions. It can tire you out quick, especially if your soloing it. Its alot more stress on the boat, and things can break. If in the future, you decide to, go out on the wire, it is best to make sure that your spouse can skipper the boat proficiently to come back and pick you up, if you fall off, and vice-versa. You can learn in lighter winds, with one of you counterweighting on the tramp. Be smooth and fluid on rudder movements no matter who is out on the wire, jerky rudder movement can and will make someone lose their footing, even if their stance is wide with slightly bent knees and they are not paying attention for sudden turning.
There's alot of youtube videos out there with some good instruction on sailing hobies, check em out.
I can't help you on the jib furler, but sometimes I wish I had that on my boat when it comes to rigging it. but then again, I do like battens in a jib.
I don't know what dealer you use, but I think his name is Rick, at Midwest sailing in Pickney, MI would definately be able to help you on that. He knows his stuff Their website

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:01 pm 
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Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:43 am
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Location: St. Louis, MO
Here are some quick tips about trimming your sails. If you do not have tell tails on them, get some and put them on. For your jib, they should be on both sides of the sail and about 1/3 of the way back from the luff. I think two sets will be fine. One set 1/4 of the way up from the foot and another 1/4 of the way down from the peak. For the main, you can put them in two places. Either three sets, 1/3 of the way aft of the luff or three tell tails on the leech of the sail. You can find several references on line for more details.

How to use them:

Set your boat on the course you want to sail (or as close to the wind as possible is sailing up wind).

Trim your jib

Trim your main

How do you trim using tell tails? For tell tails near the luff, you want both tails in each set streaming straight back. If the leeward tail is not right, either sheet out or head up a bit. If the windward tail is not right, either sheet in or fall off a bit. If you can't get the tails on both sides to stream back, favor the leeward tail.

For leech tails it is similar, except there is only one tail at each location. If the tail curls to leeward, sheet out or head up. If the tail curls windward, sheet in or fall off.

In summary, put wind on the "misbehaving" tell tail. There is alot more to learn, but these are the basics. Lots of info online or in sailing books.


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'74 Pearson 30
'84 H16
'82 H18 Magnum
St. Louis, MO

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:28 am 
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Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 10:44 am
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Location: SE Michigan
We've mostly been to Kent Lake since the metropark is nearby. The constantly shifting wind gets frustrating. A trip to Ludington and Hamlin Lake was a blast. Midwest sold me some rudder parts; I think they're the nearest Hobie sailing dealer to me.

For winter, I plan to strip to the hulls and frame, then tarp or shrink wrap it up. I don't have any real good way to store them or the mast out of the weather. I still have the rudders, tiller bars, and rigging removed from our cross state drive last weekend. I did the sit too long on a roll tack and dump early in the season. Righting it left us pretty exhausted and cold, but it wasn't too hard to do.

Yeah, I should get new tell tails for next year too. They've been falling off. I still have a pair in the center of both sails. The leech ones are mostly gone though.

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