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 Post subject: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:03 am 
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I have an older 16 with older sails. I can't get the halyard pulled up all the way to cleat the wire. Could I use silicon on the mast track or wax? Very tight the last 6".


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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:23 am 
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I use this product... Sailcote... it is a dry lube... spray on the mast track or on the sail luff while you raise sail... makes things much easier


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McLube Sailkote is the only dry lubricant currently available that has been specifically designed for marine use. Sailkote is a translucent liquid that sprays or wipes on and completely dries in seconds. So, unlike oils, silicones, and waxes, it will never attract dirt, water and contaminants that eventually degrade lubrication performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:44 am 
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This is primarily a technique issue.

Sailing FAQs: https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=18

mmiller wrote:
Raising the mainsail of a Hobie can be more difficult than need be.

Several factors can cause the mainsail to be difficult to hoist:


Dirty luff ropes and luff tracks. These can be cleaned with soapy water and a scrub brush. If you want to use a lubricant, keep away from oils and waxes that can attract dirt. Use a dry silicone spray. Most all Hobie sails now have a Teflon threaded bolt (luff) rope to ease the hoisting effort.

Battens and sail shape. The battens stiffen the airfoil shape of your sail. Over tensioning of the battens can cause a couple of problems. Luff protector caps can be forced against the mast and cause drag when hoisting. The battens also force the sail shape into a curve. The luff curve (seen when laying the sail out on the ground, as a large arch) is typical to Hobie Cat main sails. The sails "airfoil" shape is mostly created by the miss-matched mast bend and luff curve of the sail. The luff curve is more than the likely mast bend and when the mast is straight (while hoisting) the difference is dramatic. This luff curve going up the straight mast can cause significant drag and hoisting problems when done incorrectly.

Outhaul. Be sure the outhaul is fully released before hoisting.

Hoist Technique:

Keep the batten tension to a minimum. Hoist the sail slowly, while feeding into the mast opening. When the sail gets about 3/4's of the way up, begin aggressively feeding at the bottom opening and reduce the amount of halyard effort. If the halyard is pulled tight when the sail is not being fed into and up the track, you will have problems. The sail luff will pull taunt and the curve shape will bind in the (straight) mast track. Lower the sail slightly and begin feeding again.

The best way to feed the sail is to stand in front of the mast and reach around either side to "sandwich" the sail between two hands (above the feeder opening) and push the sail up the track. Pull with the halyard, only the slack created, then feed again. If the sail binds, lower slightly and begin feeding again. This technique can be done by one person, but is certainly easier with two working together. It is VERY important that the person on the halyard only pulls the slack up the mast and does not get ahead of the feeder.

Locking the Hobie 14/16/Getaway halyard:

Once the sail is fully hoisted (be sure that the sail is fully inserted into the feeder). Pull the halyard forward of the mast by 3-4 feet. Hold the halyard on the centerline of the mast. Pull hard and hold the tension while bringing the halyard into the mast. Release the halyard tension and see that the sail remains fully hoisted. This seats a small bead, in the halyard, under a two finger prong "hook" and the top of the mast. If the sail slips down when downhaul tension is added, repeat the final hoist technique again. Be sure the bead is clear to pass the hook before pulling tension on the halyard.

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To release... fully release the downhaul and outhaul. Partially feed the sail up the luff track. Hoist with the halyard to the top till it stops, hold... pull the halyard line forward 3-4 feet away from the mast, ease the halyard to lower the sail.

Locking the Hobie 17/18/20/21 Halyard:

It is best to simulate the halyard locking with the mast down so you clearly understand the system.

Then, depending on how old the boat is, be sure the hook does not have the old "flopper" stainless piece hanging on the hook. This old device caused difficulty in raising and hooking but would make it easier to release and lower.

Also, be sure that the knot tied to the ring is very low profile. A long bowline knot will hit the mast head before the ring gets to the hook.

If the ring has a small loop at the top... The line should be passed through the loop and a small knot tied. The knot (when ring and shackle are affixed to the sail) should be facing the mast. This tilts the ring closer to the mast.

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Then (before attaching halyard shackle to the sail) spin the halyard 3 or 4 times clockwise (looking down on the shackle). This "pre-loads" the halyard line and causes the ring to swing back towards the hook. Keep the boat into the wind and hoist. Should lock easily.

To release... fully release the downhaul and outhaul. Partially feed the sail up the luff track. Hoist with the halyard to the top till it stops, hold... rotate the aft of the mast base to starboard, hold the mast rotated, ease the halyard a few feet before releasing the mast. Lower the sail.

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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 am 
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I like to put a couple squirts of Dawn foam on the first foot of the luff rope before I raise the main sail. It helps to clean the luff track, makes it easier to raise/lower the sail and is water soluble.

I also put a few squirts of Dawn foam in the main and jib traveler tracks for the same reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 pm 
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Make absolutely sure that your main tack is disconnected from the boom!!! I had to learn this the hard way after not being able to raise the main fully on my first few sailings. It'll likely give you that extra inch or two that your were needing to get the bullet to clear and seat in the fork. Also, any tension will also cause the sail to bind in the last few feet so make sure everything is loose, even the outhaul.

If need be, completely remove the boom from the mainsail.

Finally, this should also be obvious, but raise the main before the jib. Any tension on the mast or mainsail is going to make the job much harder. Sometimes even the lack of the booms weight will make the difference because you don't actually get the weight until the last 2 feet of pulling on the halyard.


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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:13 pm 
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I never remove the tack from the boom. Be sure the outhaul is off and follow my directions... easy. You should not expect to raise the sail using the halyard alone... that causes the issues.

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 Post subject: Re: Main Halyard
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:45 am 
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Thanks guys. Purchased some McLub, great name. Worked great, also put the halyard around my butt and sat down, pulling with extra force, success.


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