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Author:  KBlake [ Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
One thing I’ve noticed with the Getaway is that a lot of extra time is spent playing with clevis pins and cotter rings when stepping the mast and tensioning the rig. Then of course, you have the tear down at the end of the day. I ordered these to speed things up. Image


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Author:  John Lunn [ Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
Quick pin (or Avibank pins) are certainly quick and easy when it comes to setting up.

However, bear in mind that the centre is hollow.....and you are well advised to check that the load bearing capacity of the Quick Pin
will 'match' the load requirements. This is especially important if you sail 'hard'.
Over time, the pins will deform, and will deform more quickly under hard sailing.

For shroud or forestay pins, get the largest that will fit.
Author:  KBlake [ Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
Thanks. My Chrysler Mutineer 15 had a quick pin on the forestay, and the tension on the rig was actually higher than on the Getaway. The forestay was tensioned using a Hyfield lever in the cuddy, under the mast. I don't know how old the pin was when I bought the boat, but I sailed it for 3 seasons and there was no deformation of the pin when I sold it to buy the Getaway. I will keep an eye on them though.
Author:  tpdavis473 [ Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
There are other alternatives, as well. Hitch pins (look like hairpins), or ring dings. Those all go through the same holes in the clevis...and you can always use simple lockwire and just cut off after each sail (a pound is 15 bucks american and will last 3 or 4 years).
Author:  KBlake [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
Yesterday was the first sail with the quick pins, and they did greatly expedite setup and tear down, particularly tensioning the rig during setup.
Author:  KBlake [ Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
I’ve been reading that it’s not great to trailer the boat with the float attached to the top. I’ve been trying to think of a good way to quickly attach and detach the bob for trailering. I came up with a good solution today, with a quick trip to Ace Hardware. Image

They are stainless steel thumbscrews.


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Author:  leecea [ Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
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I’ve been reading that it’s not great to trailer the boat with the float attached to the top...


What is the issue? I never remove my float :( , but it is smaller (Wave).
Author:  bthompson224 [ Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
I had them on my H16 and on the Getaway. Never had an issue on the 16, and the PO of the Getaway had this one for years. Just don't get one of the cheap ones, pay the money for a quality pin. Think of the cheap carabiners that come on water bottles. They look and work the same, but would you hang off a cliff from one?

I'm no expert, but I would think the loads on the float and mast are much greater under sail (and flipping the boat) than trailering. I've never read where this causes long term issues, although intuitively seeing it bounce around back there would leave you to believe there would be some fatigue. After 10 years, no signs that it is effecting my mast. After a few years with one on my Capri 14.2, no signs of any issues there either. Since there has been no design changes from Hobie, I would think this hasn't been shown to be an issue.

Maybe Hobie has some input on this?
Author:  leecea [ Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
Oh, I see - I guess it depends on how the mast is supported. I have a long trailer and the Wave mast is short, so my rear support is probably within 12" of the bob. A longer mast and shorter distance between supports could change things considerably.
Author:  KBlake [ Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick pins for shrouds & fore-stay
bthompson224 wrote:
I had them on my H16 and on the Getaway. Never had an issue on the 16, and the PO of the Getaway had this one for years. Just don't get one of the cheap ones, pay the money for a quality pin. Think of the cheap carabiners that come on water bottles. They look and work the same, but would you hang off a cliff from one?

I'm no expert, but I would think the loads on the float and mast are much greater under sail (and flipping the boat) than trailering. I've never read where this causes long term issues, although intuitively seeing it bounce around back there would leave you to believe there would be some fatigue. After 10 years, no signs that it is effecting my mast. After a few years with one on my Capri 14.2, no signs of any issues there either. Since there has been no design changes from Hobie, I would think this hasn't been shown to be an issue.

Maybe Hobie has some input on this?


I spent almost $80 for three of them, they were definitely not cheap pins.

I'd seen posts on this forum about not trailering with the bob, and then I saw an H16 removing theirs during teardown at the river one day. Mine was missing two screws anyway, so I figured it couldn't hurt to buy thumbscrews and remove it for longer trips. I did recently purchase the rear mast crutch for my trailer, so the mast is well supported close to the bob now.
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