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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:48 pm 
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Are there any side-by-side pictures of the i9 and i12? Most of the time I'd be sailing solo, but I want the ability to carry either my 4ft tall 7 year old son or my roughly equivalently sized dog back there when kayaking. If the length difference is only in the bow, I could get the smaller kayak.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:54 pm 
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Be mindful that the i12 is equipped with a sail mast port, whereas the i11 is not. If you're planning to sail your inflatable kayak, the i12 is your boat. As far as deck storage, the i11 is a flat, open-deck concept yielding more deck flat deck space behind the seat.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:06 pm 
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Not i11, i9 or i12.

You made me do a double-take, but I have it right. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:58 pm 
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I would still recommend the i12 for your application :)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:55 pm 
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EDIT: OOPS , BELOW I FELL INTO THE I11S TRAP WHICH WASN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT ON MY MIND ANYWAY...

kd5crs wrote:
Are there any side-by-side pictures of the i9 and i12? Most of the time I'd be sailing solo, but I want the ability to carry either my 4ft tall 7 year old son or my roughly equivalently sized dog back there when kayaking. If the length difference is only in the bow, I could get the smaller kayak.

You can view both birds eye pictures on the Hobie marketing page which they label "tour features". There is likely optical distortion, but if I measure the seat width... I can count almost 3 from behind the seat (base, not back) to the rudder mount. Somewhere Hobie publishes the seat width, but due to increasing distortion at the edge of the picture, I would guess we can only say the rear decks are about comparable length. Probably the i12s is an inch or two longer in the skinny taper.

Overall one might visualize turning an i11s into a i12s by adding a 7 inch nosecone to it's blunt bow, and a 2 inch tailcone (there is only 9 inch difference in length, not a foot). And of course 3 inches narrower. The fine bow entry may add considerably to i112s speed; I have an inflatable SUP the exact same width and maybe 5 inches longer than the i11s and it is a slug to paddle seated with a kayak paddle vs easier kayak paddling on my i12s.

Consider much of the stern bitter end will be taken by the rudder folded up, especially if you get the optional large sailing rudder which seems to be highly recommended even if you never sail. A kid might have better weight distribution by being back to back with you, maybe on an inflatable seat. I suspect, but don't know, that they have removed i12s rear scupper drain holes, so a pool might build to rear if it can't flow toward the drive well. i11s would of course be self draining, and BTW is only 20 lbs lighter than i12s fully rigged.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:52 pm 
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Hi. After a very long time following this interesting and useful forum, I have finally joined. I hope to someday own a Tandem Island, as soon as I have the necessary space to store it. In the meantime, I think I am going to take the plunge and buy one or two inflatables.

This thread pretty much sums up my own doubts and concerns, although I am actually torn between the i11s and i12s and have discarded the i9s. I would also like to be able to bring along a 7-year-old child behind me. I had thought about installing a kayak seat behind, as Daft suggested. One of those with four hooks.

I haven't tried any of the inflatable kayaks, so I really don't know which one would handle the extra passenger better.

If the i11s had the sail mast mount, I think I would definitely go for it, because its low weight and SUP ability are very appealing. Having said all this, let me share some specific questions:
- Which one is faster?
- Does the plug-in cart for inflatables also work on the i11s?
- And the most important one. Is it really worth sailing the i12s? Do you need perfect conditions to be able to sail? Even though I would love to be able to sail, if sailing one of these inflatables isn't such a big deal, I would pick the i11s and perhaps add a windpaddle sail which, I know has limitations, as has been mentioned in this forum already.

Thank you in advance for your kind advice!

EDIT: I also apologise for stretching this thread towards the i11s.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:50 pm 
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Chess wrote:
- Which one is faster?
- Does the plug-in cart for inflatables also work on the i11s?
- And the most important one. Is it really worth sailing the i12s? Do you need perfect conditions to be able to sail? Even though I would love to be able to sail, if sailing one of these inflatables isn't such a big deal, I would pick the i11s and perhaps add a windpaddle sail which, I know has limitations,

Speed? i12s HAS to be faster and easier to pedal... length alone permits higher speeds and skinniness helps, as well as the sculptured underwater shape. Like I said above, I paddle a board about the same dimensions as i11s kayak-style and it is a sluggard vs i12s paddling. It's fun mode is surfing, and I can't really "catch" a wave but have to wait for a avalanche of white water to smash me into motion - then it's vast width practically hoovers over the spray at high speed.

Cart? Maybe ask in i11s threads where some owners are limiting themselves to.

Sailing? I12s has limitations, but isn't any kind of sailing pretty much the supreme elixir of life? I have 4 (going on 5) inflatable sailboats without motors, and the i12s holds a special place in having such powerful manual override to get me thru complications like harbor mazes or dying wind.

It sails at an upwind angle really well, if you remember to align your fins vertically and don't have steep big waves. Sidewind and especially downwind isn't the most efficient because you don't have a boom to hold the sail shape. Various remedies exist like carving a notch in your paddle to hold the sail end tight. You can't reduce the sail area roller-style like the rigid Hobies if the wind gets too strong. If you sail in very unprotected areas (infinite fetch) the steep, high windwaves may slew you around too much, but also true w/o sails. Below is a video of i12s sailing almost boringly light winds (upwind, not downwind as labeled).


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