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 Post subject: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:28 pm 
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I swear I'm not an idiot, but I can't get my 2017 i12s back in the bag following the directions. I've watched the video on the support page, but that's almost a totally different boat to the new i12s. The big difference is in the boat width: in the video, the kayak is about as wide as the bag. My i12s is a full 8 inches wider than the bag. So do I:

1. Fold it like the video, and then jam it down into the bag by folding the sides upward while it is folded? That looks like I'm stressing the side seams, and it is pretty tough to crush it into the bag.
2. Or fold the sides inward while it is flat in thirds so it is as wide as the bag, then fold the ends in? That looks like it stresses around the seat fittings and is a pain in the booty to keep in place while folding, since the lengthwise folds are slippery?

A new video would be awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:11 am 
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I dunno 2017, but page 22 of the manual http://www.hobiecat.com/support/mirage-i12s/ appears to rule out your #2 and the twisting stress if may inflict. I think you will find #1 easy after half a dozen uses make the sides flexible.

The floor is all drop stitched together layers with a keel and should remain forever stiff. The sides turn almost to jelly after that new stiffness wears off, and on my older model they just disappear when you pull the bag straps. Your model has a wider floor so might be more challenging, but I think the same principle must apply that you can simply jam the 4 corners of the floor into the bag and let the side-jelly stick out until you close the flaps and buckle.

P.S. I reviewed the packing video just now and it looks deceptively easy because he has apparently used a suction pump to expel the air, or the factory did. Even the old model did not normally drop so easily into the bag with those shriveled sides. but stuck out either stiffly or loose with age. You could buy a manual pump that has reverse (suction) mode, but I think you can just ignore the sides sticking out and they will become increasingly manageable.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:48 pm 
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I second that your iSeries yak will soften up a bit after several times of inflating/deflating/folding. Also, do your best to tuck the side pontoons in toward the center of the kayak when folding. This will buy you some space in the bag. Also, the i12 packs back up more efficiently with the air completely pushed out. The best way to achieve full deflation is to use the deflate action on one of our electric pumps we offer.

Bravo Electric Pump
Part No. 494526-00
Retail US $279.00
12V pump inflates to selected pressure setting and stops pumping automatically when fully inflated.

i-Inflation Pump

Part No. 79052005
Retail US $41.99
12V pump with inflate/deflate actions

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:57 pm 
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Righty-o, #2 got it in the bag. I think I'll tie the side handles together to keep them in during folding, because it slips out otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:53 pm 
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I had trouble with mine as well at the beginning and finally I ignored the video, did some folding tests and follow this now and it works. Sorry, no video ...

But : the best tip is what HStrech mentioned already : get a cheap pump to deflate the boat, it is a lot smaller.

Only it its very cold, it will turn into a plank ...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:38 am 
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OK Hobie, It's now 2017... and the i12s is a newer design that the one featured in your how-to-fold video (whiich appear to be from 2012!) My 2017 i12s has a thick, rather stiff heavy rubber keel. Maybe someone at Hobie could take the time to shoot a new video? I have not succeeded in re-folding my kayak since May, when I got it.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:43 am 
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Why don't my posts appear on this forum, ever? (update 7/21 18:40: Thanks to the Administrator for approving me/my posts!)


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:07 am 
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ehh my i11s don't even have the fold procedure on the bag. I just video taped the action when it first came out the bag, so that is how I put it back in.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:22 pm 
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kd5crs wrote:
I can't get my 2017 i12s back in the bag following the directions. The big difference is in the boat width
The original boat was also wider than the bag. Here's an better way to bag your boat IMO -- hopefully this will solve the problem on your new model as well. You'll find it much easier to put the bag over the boat then work the bag up from underneath. Residual air in the boat never seemed to be an issue -- it all came out when it needed to. Give it a try.

1. Fold the boat
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2. Place the bag on top of the folded boat. Note the boat appears to be bigger than the bag
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3. Tuck the corners in like a fitted bed sheet and pull the bag over the rest of the boat
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4. Flip the package and fasten the straps
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:48 am 
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Checkerboard wrote:
Maybe someone at Hobie could take the time to shoot a new video?


Agreed!

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 i12s folding
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:04 pm 
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I think the original Polish or whatever i12s packing video still reigns supreme. You just have to use it's counterintuitive orientation to keep the non compressible keel along the long dimension in the bag, even though when new the sides appear to stick out further. I abandoned the bag-on-top approach because my bag can slip back and forth and undo progress. It can be better or worse that way, and need not be mandated to everyone. The key may be more a case of bagging the double layer ends of the yak first because they stay in the corner better than the squishy corners which can be forced easier at the last. It all gets easy later on, however you do it.

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