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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:21 pm 
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An interesting sequence of responses to what was a fairly tongue-in-cheek observation.

While I am sure there is a difference in approach required to oversee the activities of a population of 4.3 million (yup, that's the real population of NZ) over that required for 320 million I am still of the mind that a lot of what you guys go through is "government for government's sake" and it would appear that even the government officials over there don't have much of a clue as to what law applies and what doesn't w.r.t. kayaks.

As to being 'fraidy cats... I am actually from the UK originally where we do have Nuclear power - I have eaten many fish from radioactive seas and walked along many radioactive beaches in the UK. I even got rained on by the fall-out from Chernobyl. My aunt lived within spitting distance of the Sellafield Nuclear plant (where my cousin currently works) - she died very young from breast cancer. I have no idea what the effect on me will be in the long term, if any, but I am guessing that if exposure to radioactivity from any of this affects my health at any point there will not be a single representative of any Nuclear company or country standing by to fix me up. So I am quite happy about any country that wants to taking a stand against the vested interests of the nuclear power industry, lobby and military - this is not driven by fear but by strength.

Anyway, while I am on the keyboard, I thought I'd just say that I particularly like the response about the right to bear arms in NZ... ... :roll: only in America... How I wish we could copy the USA model and allow any and every idiot in New Zealand to buy, carry and use a gun - hand or assault - whenever they felt like it - the only logical conclusion one could possibly draw, based on the evidence of all the mass shootings in the USA that we see reported on the news over here, is that it certainly would be likely to make New Zealand a whole lot safer :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:03 am 
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Here in the Great Lakes all vessels over 14' need MC numbers, PA14s and under are all fine until u put a motor on them(evolve). As long as its under 14'1", and you're paddling or peddling(human powered), all you need is a PFD in the boat(unless self inflating must be worn), a whistle, and a light if out after dark. I consider these pretty lax compared to in Ohio I think ALL vessels need MC's.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:21 am 
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I bit the bullet and registered my TI. We're traveling to Michigan and Ohio in a few weeks and I didn't want to be hassled. It was $49 for 3 years, so it wasn't all that bad (much cheaper than the $450 registration for my suburban annually). The lady at the DMV didn't even know how to do a kayak registration...she had never done one and Nebraska doesn't require it. However, having a TI I kinda skirt that fine line between kayak and sailboat. I definitely wouldn't fit the <14' Michigan requirement since the TI is 18'6", and Ohio requires everything to be registered. I have to admit the TI looks pretty silly with 3" tall lettering that takes up 26" of bow length on each side.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:45 am 
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Also check with the DOT TiTom. U may have to stop at weigh stations in each state u trailer it through to get signed off on that invasive species thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:31 am 
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StickiestLizard wrote:
Also check with the DOT TiTom. U may have to stop at weigh stations in each state u trailer it through to get signed off on that invasive species thing.

I hope that's not the case, I'm travelling through 3 states before I even get to MI. We're doing the UP first and then dropping down to Traverse City area before heading to OH.

After doing a quick search through the Iowa DOT, Illinois DOT, Wisconsin DOT, and Michigan DOT websites I could not find any references to having to stop at weigh stations to be inspected for invasive species. Doesn't look I need to do anything invasive species wise (aside from wash the boat), according to the Michigan and Ohio DNR sites.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:11 pm 
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A PIA corollary to the vessel reg restrictions here and there, and the confusion that that creates, is the very frustrating speed limit for cars or trucks towing trailers in California: 55 mph! I haul my Revo-16 around on an utility trailer ... at 55 mph and my truck doesn't even feel the trailer. If I didn't check in the mirror, the "feel" test would never clue me into my trailer being attached.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:00 pm 
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Scurvy......I don't know of any trailer in Cali being towed at 55 mph.....shoot, the semi's speed is 65 mph or higher :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:59 am 
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RE:"Actually, by Federal law, states may only regulate motorized watercraft". This may only apply to waters that are considered federal waters. Generally speaking, this is anywhere the Coast Guard covers.

As for a PA or any kayak or canoe in Michigan, quotes from the official Michigan Handbook:

You must have a Michigan Certificate of Number (registration) and validation decals to operate your vessel legally on public waters in Michigan. The only exceptions are:
• Privately owned rowboats 16 feet or less in length
• Privately owned non-motorized canoes or kayaks
• Vessels registered in another state using Michigan waters for 60 days or less

The only canoes or kayaks that must be registered are those that are used for commercial use, ie. rental liveries, or if they have a motor (including electric).

As for owning the land under a body of water, there was a legal battle from-1924-1936 that established that all navigable streams, rivers, brooks, etc. are held in public trust, meaning they don’t belong to the owner(s) of land around the stream.

In Michigan, various laws and court rulings established that lakes that are accessible via public property such as highways, access sites, etc. are public waters. It doesn’t matter if the water is 1/2 inch deep or bottomless; it is part of the lake and isn’t private property. However; docks, swim floats, deck, ski ramps, mooring buoys, etc. are private property unless placed by a government agency (which regulates the use). So. if you can get to the lake via public access site then there is no question that the entire lake is public property, including the land underneath it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:20 am 
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in California, quite a lot of the lakes requires a Quagga check, and if you put up a sail, another whole different story, mostly fee difference and a registration number, and some lake won't even let you do it, because it is a SOT

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