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Author: | jms2756 [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
Must be a weighted keel |
Author: | Tucson-Bob [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:47 pm ] |
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I love the TI3 mods with the amas and akas moved to the rear position! I've been looking at many kayak sailing alternatives. I'm really in love with the Mirage drive system so figuring out how to get the most from a TI is very important to me. I noticed that in all the youtube videos that TI users get very wet with lots of bow and ama splash. Some folks even designed methods to reduce bow splash with front skirts. I also noticed that other sail-yaks like the Triak had the amas mounted far to the rear and got virtually no bow splash even in moderate to heavy wind. You can watch videos on the rear mounted amas on the Triak here... http://www.triaksports.com/gallery/ But the Triak doesn't have the mirage drive and no tandem model. So it seems the best option for me so far is a modified TI3. THANKS to all for all the great info shared on this forum, especially the innovative TI3 mods! Bob |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
Thanks Bob - welcome to the forum. I noticed the similarity to Triak and others, right away. The hull looks faster in this mode. Adding a crossbar to the rear of the TI Is a very cheap mod, and could really pay off for the solo sailer. We'll continue testing it and reporting how it works relative to having 3 sets of Akas (the TI3 mode) and every other mode we can think of. It's early in our experiment, but in time we will see how effective and reliable this mod proves to be. The swells will tell. A word of caution - this is a test - this is only a test,... Pretending to be like Batman can be fun, but risky. I remember when I was 6 years old I put on a superman suit and jumped off the roof of my house. Nearly broke both my ankles. |
Author: | stevebrown [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:06 am ] |
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Hi Nohuhu I get that this is a test... but I'm very interested in this..! The parts... ? - 79510721 X BAR CLAMP TOP (two of these? ) - 79510731 X BAR CLAMP BOTTOM (two of these? ) - 8032088 SCREW (four of these? ) - 8080561 WASHER (six of these? ) - 8030451 SCREW (CUP ATTACH) (two, or none of these? ) - 8050111 NUT (CUP ATTACH) (six of these? ) Query... ? Is the forward or rear XBar assembly being used for the third XBar? - 79531201 XBAR FWD ASSY, or - 79530201 XBAR REAR ASSY Could you clarify the quantities & parts used please? thanks, Steve |
Author: | Fly4v [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:40 pm ] |
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"And for the new rear seat, there is an improved, adjustable hiking stick." Manufactured by Grumman Ironworks from the looks of it. |
Author: | Tucson-Bob [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
Hello NOHUHU; Did you notice more or less bow and ama splash with the amas in the forward or rear position? What combination gave you the driest ride? Bob |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:25 pm ] |
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Fly4v, that's the expandable "HyroTiller Pro 5000" (a $10 squeegee handle with a couple 1/4" stainless padeyes) |
Author: | NOHUHU [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
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stevebrown wrote: Hi Nohuhu I get that this is a test... but I'm very interested in this..! The parts... ? - 79510721 X BAR CLAMP TOP (two of these? ) - 79510731 X BAR CLAMP BOTTOM (two of these? ) - 8032088 SCREW (four of these? ) - 8080561 WASHER (six of these? ) - 8030451 SCREW (CUP ATTACH) (two, or none of these? ) - 8050111 NUT (CUP ATTACH) (six of these? ) Query... ? Is the forward or rear XBar assembly being used for the third XBar? - 79531201 XBAR FWD ASSY, or - 79530201 XBAR REAR ASSY Could you clarify the quantities & parts used please? thanks, Steve Yes - it's the rear crossbar and Aka set. It requires the longer TI crossbrace, due to the taper of the hull. The grabrail connecting the rear Aka sets is custom-made of aluminum, but uses the standard Hobie ball brace and end cap assemblies to secure it (it pops off quickly, just like the stock crossbrace connection). Anyone seriously wanting to see the drilling, plumbing and such of this setup should contact me via PM. This mod is experimental (and not cheap), therefore any information is posted as food for thought, not as a cookbook (as in "recipe for disaster") We intend this as info-tainment. So Batman, GRRR and myself hope you all are getting at least a good chuckle out of this. |
Author: | AlohaDan [ Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
WOW! Forget the price.Look at the weight, etc. http://www.warrenlightcraft.com/specstandemsail.html Can we get the Warren's to do tandems as SOT's ? Or Hobie to contract with them to do a high end custom. |
Author: | fusioneng [ Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
AlohaDan : It looks like that extra 80 lbs weight savings on the Warrens Tandem adds about $10k to the price tag (about $125 per lb), from what I am seeing you can buy 3 TI's for the price of one of these. I'm sure the Warrens are a terrific boats, but I actually kind of like the roto molded hull on the TI, yea it gets scratched and beat up but boy is it hard to break. I also have furling jib and genaker sails mounted on my TI (but they only cost me a couple hundred bucks to design and build). The boom type sail probably gives their boat a little better performance, but I actually like the TI furling sail because in bigger wind it can easily be furled and adjusted, plus it's extremely simple and fast to rig/unrig. I am assuming the Warren boat is just as wet as the TI, I think getting wet has more to do with how close you are to the water with this type of boat than anything else, regardless of the boat brand. I also don't think I could ever loose my Mirage drives, have grown very fond of them. The only wish I have is if AMA's were mounted further out on the TI, if it were 12 ft wide it would be perfect (with the extra sail area), in the mean time I have to use the 50 lb swinging keel weight in higher winds. The TI3 project looks very interesting to me. Maybe we could fill the TI AMA's with helium and get the boat weight down to 150 lbs, but then you have to teather them down when not using them (just kidding) Bob |
Author: | Fly4v [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
Approved for passengers already! Your mod are no longer "safe for home". When Household 6 saw the haka benchs on the AI, the first thing she said was why not have decking on the whole thing. She sees your post and I will have to make new benches and buy TI amas. |
Author: | cliffs2yak [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: THE TI3 PROJECT |
Looked like a fun project. On a rough day, I'm finding the Hobie tramps can sag low enough to make contact with the swells. My cooler was bouncing around enough on a particularly rough day that I was worried that it was going over. Luckily, no beer was lost. Your haka bench design seem much more rigid and is less likely make contact with waves or catch wind. More so, it adds more aka support and you pulled off balancing the boat while comfortably accomodating extra adult sized passengers. Very cool! Time to build a Nohuhu inspired haka bench... shaka, cliffs2yak |
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