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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:20 am 
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In my experience the second person helps very little if any.
We have pretty strong currents around here so without the motors and wing sails we couldn’t ever get a positive vmg, trying to get back to shore. Basically any offshore wind (wind speed didn’t matter much), if we went out offshore, we were never able to get back in.
Just the way it was, (main reason we modified our boat).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:03 am 
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FE--I don't understand what you are saying. We go "off shore" 3-4 miles and don't have a problem getting back in. Do you have different wind patterns or are you going 20 miles off shore?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:18 am 
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I think in our case it has more to do with local geography and currents in our situation than anything else.
The only passes in the area, (sarasota) going out to sea must move about 25-30 miles of intercoastal water ever since midnight pass closed in a hurricane, (like 30 yrs ago).
This make the currents very strong, (like 5-6mph) in and out of the passes. For example when the tide is going out, (half the time) we can’t sail or PEDDLE fast enough to get back in from offshore with a stock TI, (one reason I added outboards, and extra sails). It’s especially difficult when the winds are blowing offshore, (which is quite a bit of the time).
The problem is compounded by the constant breakers just offshore that are caused by a shallow shoal just off shore, and the build up of waves from a thousand miles away, (across the whole gulf). Even on very light days, (winds under 5mph), there are 2-3ft breakers just offshore that we have to pass thru, (lol all the EC guys know all about the breakers).
So in other words if the tide is coming in we can’t sail/peddle our stock TI fast enough to get out to sea thru the passes.
Then once out, if the tide is going out it’s impossible to get back in, (our main issue).
We have the exact same issue down in Key West. There is a very strong always present current down the entire west side of the island, (where we always go). When we sail south of the island, (offshore), with a stock TI it’s near impossible to get back to the island, we can’t sail/PEDDLE the boat fast enough to get back to the island. All the coral reefs and diving areas are south of the island. Before modifying our boat we got trapped offshore many times, and couldn’t get back to the island, several times we didn’t get back in till well after dark, and one time didn’t get back in till the next day, totally exhausted from PEDDLING.
That’s one reason I always say know your boats real, (not imagined) capabilities, it might save your life.

That’s all
FE


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:15 am 
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Alright, I understand. We have the same problem going out the passes near Everglades City/Chokoloskee. When we set up 3-4 day camping trips, they are set up with an eye to the tides so we can get out and back in conveniently.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:08 pm 
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I hate spellimh nazis with a passion, but pretty please, for my sanity, the word is PEDAL, not peddle

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:18 am 
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Sorry I didn’t know it had to be all caps, I edited it write.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:56 pm 
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funny man

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:49 pm 
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Although my TI is still out of commission, I did manage to go fishing this morning off the south side of PAV courtesy of my neighbor and a guide, Jesse Hill. (FWIW Jesse was great!) We caught 9 Sea Trout keepers among 4 of us. No sign of red tide down there at the moment and there seemed to be quite a few tents perched on or near the beach taking advantage of the perfect weather.

Fish dinner tonight!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm 
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BobAgain wrote:
Although my TI is still out of commission
You need to get that poor boat back in commission Bob !!! The weather has been amazing this spring, congrats on the good fishing day. I'll be heading out to do some sailing tomorrow and test out a couple new mods to my TI.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:09 pm 
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I've still got a bum hand for at least another week, but Jim is right, the weather has been great. With your boat, you could have gone out there yourself and a partner and caught that many seatrout.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:42 pm 
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MisterMoon wrote:
We'll be doing an expedtion trip in my TI starting on Sunday, April 22. Me and a friend are racing in the LRR Challenge down the Savannah River from Augusta, Georgia to Edisto Beach, SC. This is roughly a 230 mile event with three checkpoints. We start in Augusta at 800am on Sunday and go about 10 miles to the first CP at Augusta Lock and Dam. There is a rather lengthy portage there (we'll have our shore crew there with the trailer to help, allowed by the rules). The second CP is about 160 statute miles downriver at Millstone Landing, SC. This is just above where the river starts to get affected by tides. The third CP (not on the website yet) is at Port Royal, SC on the ICW, and the finish is at Edisto Watersports on Edisto Beach, SC. We have until Sunday, April 29 at 1pm to complete the course.

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Lowcountry River Rats, the organizers of the event, require satellite tracking for all competitors but don't have a public tracking page. For those who want to follow along with us, you can access my Spot shared page.

We aren't planning to push it too hard in this event and plan to sleep every night. My goal is ~50 miles per day on average and finish by Thursday or Friday.

I did a test run on the middle part of the Savannah river in February and found it to be wide and deep, perfect for a TI. It's sailable for sure. We did find a lot of big alligators, which will make selecting campsites interesting. A lot of the nice sandy spots where one might select to camp seemed to have gators on them already.

The weather for the first couple days isn't looking very promising, with strong E winds 10-20 mph, cool temps, and steady rain. This means headwinds on the river. W're going to have to experiment to see if it's faster to drop the rig and gut it out while pedaling or if short tacking upwind is worth it.

I don't expect much cellular access on a lot of the river, so I probably won't be able to update on this forum during the event. I'll try to write something at the end, though.

If my buddy likes this kind of racing, we'll team up again for the Everglades Challenge in 2019.


Just got home from the race. Good times. We finished the 246 mile course in 4 days 3 hours and 40 minutes, averaging about 12 hours on the water each day. We had a few issues with pouring rain, a bent drive, a damaged rudder, a lost knife and my trusty old Garmin GPSmap 76 is out there swimming in the ICW, but we had a great time anyway. Best day was sailing down through the port of Savannah and up to Port Royal, SC, a distance of about 60 miles.

Here's some video (if I can get it to work)

Monday morning: https://www.facebook.com/john.bell.acworth/videos/10156390127233809/

Monday afternoon: https://www.facebook.com/john.bell.acworth/videos/10156390128283809/

Wednesday afternoon after I dropped the GPS overboard: https://www.facebook.com/john.bell.acworth/videos/10156390128283809/

Crossing the finish line in Edisto Beach

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:39 am 
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MisterMoon--I was not able to follow you because of my useless right hand and company visiting. Thanks for your report!

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:27 am 
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Here is an Islander vlog. Where are everyone's mandatory supplies; dumped overboard after inspection?



I include this non hobie catamaran vlog because of the abundant reflections and good narrative.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:02 pm 
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Filler to get to new page.

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