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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:07 pm 
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Hello All

I've been trolling the forum and learning much from everyone's experience. Thank you for that.

I plan to go out with me, my wife and 2 teenage daughters which is definitely under the 600lb limit, but I was reading old posts about the capacity sticker of 2 people or 600 lbs. https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=55453

My primary outings locations will in Virginia Lakes (Lake Anna), Patomac River basin south of DC, and sound side of OBX North Carolina. Has anyone been harassed by DNR in any of these area for having >2 people on board?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Our TI's were our only family boats since 2010, we have a big family and often had 4-6 people on the boat, (kids and adults), and yes we exceeded the max weight quite often, but never in unsafe water, ( we always snorkle and dive off the boat.
We have been pretty much everywhere (mostly in swfl and the keys), but we have traveled all over the country, (couple hundred thousand road miles). Never got hassled not even once in 7 yrs, most weekends.
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Edit: I interpret the capacity to be for the kayak, (which is the minimum configuration) not the entire boat with ama's and tramps. Just explain the boat is expanded/modified from it's base configuration.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:01 pm 
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s9utct wrote:
Hello All

I've been trolling the forum and learning much from everyone's experience. Thank you for that.

I plan to go out with me, my wife and 2 teenage daughters which is definitely under the 600lb limit, but I was reading old posts about the capacity sticker of 2 people or 600 lbs. https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=55453

My primary outings locations will in Virginia Lakes (Lake Anna), Patomac River basin south of DC, and sound side of OBX North Carolina. Has anyone been harassed by DNR in any of these area for having >2 people on board?


I sailed way over the weight limit and the performance definitely does decrease. I had two teenagers about 130-150lbs and one 13 year old who is over 200lbs 6ft plus, and then me, 180lbs. You will definitely see an increase in water intake; water was up to my seat. I have a the newer ct seats and that is saying something about the water intake. The police and coast guard don’t usually harass me about how many people are in my ti but they always check if we have our life jackets on.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:25 am 
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I've had up to four people (under 600 lbs total) onboard my TI with no significant performance issues (two in the seats and two on the tramps). However, due to the capacity sticker I've been turned back to shore by local police water patrols.

I resolved this problem by covering the entire deck with Hydro-Turf, including the sticker. I haven't had a problem since. However, I do this at my own risk and would never recommended it to anyone else.

In 1973 the US Coast Guard effected a regulation, Title 33, Code of Federal Regulation, Section 183, requiring all monohull boats under 20 ft to carry a plate posting the Maximum Weight Capacity, Maximum Persons Capacity and Maximum Horsepower Ratings. However, sailboats, canoes, kayaks, and inflatable boats are not required to include a capacity plate.

So the TI is not required to have the sticker, but since Hobie includes one it is technically not permitted to remove it or cover it up. This is a real Catch 22 and can be very frustrating to someone who wants to safely use the TI with more than one passenger.

By including a sticker that clearly permits only two people onboard, Hobie inadvertently causes many people serious issues with legally carrying more than one passenger, yet they inexplicably show up to five people onboard the TI in many of their own advertisements which makes no sense.

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So they may be violating their own sticker and technically may be at odds with Coast Guard regulations depending upon the interpretation.

You'll need to decide what you want to do. If you buy a TI and wish to carry more than one passenger you also may technically be in violation. This may or may not cause you issues depending upon how your local law enforcement officials interpret the sticker. The sticker says 2 Passengers or 600 lbs which is somewhat ambiguous. It's up to the law enforcement agency that inspects you as to exactly how this is applied. They may have a policy or it may be up to the individual officer that inspects your boat.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:36 am 
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Any particular sailing locations where you've had the run-ins with the water patrols?

I'm the kind of person to ask for forgiveness instead of permission. I like the idea of the Hyrdo-Turf. Do you have any pictures of how that looks on the TI?

pro10is wrote:
I've had up to four people (under 600 lbs total) onboard my TI with no significant performance issues (two in the seats and two on the tramps). However, due to the capacity sticker I've been turned back to shore by local police water patrols.

I resolved this problem by covering the entire deck with Hydro-Turf, including the sticker. I haven't had a problem since. However, I do this at my own risk and would never recommended it to anyone else.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:03 pm 
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s9utct wrote:
Any particular sailing locations where you've had the run-ins with the water patrols?

I'm the kind of person to ask for forgiveness instead of permission. I like the idea of the Hyrdo-Turf. Do you have any pictures of how that looks on the TI?


Lake Champlain, which is heavily patrolled by local State police and the US Coast Guard.

Sorry, I don't have any photos of the Hydro-Turf installation and my TI is currently stored away for the winter in a place I can't get to. However it was one of the best mods I did. It made the boat more comfortable and much less slippery, and it looks great. I highly recommend it as an improvement, but again I would never recommend that anyone hide their sticker. I don't know what the penalty is. Usually I play by the rules, but this was driving me crazy. Nothing worse than having your family out for a nice day of boating and then be told you have to go right back to shore because of some unreasonable interpretation of a capacity sticker.


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