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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:10 pm 
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Vetgam:
I don’t have Hobies spinnaker kit, ( I designed my own a long time ago, (basically got tired of waiting patiently).


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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:46 pm 
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if the current Hobie mast topper were double the length of the current unit,


Is that double the original or double the one that came online this winter?

https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=62594

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Plus the cleat for tensioning the lines. Not a tangle problem anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:31 pm 
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Is that double the original or double the one that came online this winter?


I have them both. They are both the same length. Did I get the wrong part?


"Plus the cleat for tensioning the lines. Not a tangle problem anymore"

Not resloved yet Matt, I promise you. Certainly not for post 2015 AI's when you furl at normal speeds.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:35 am 
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fusioneng wrote:
We are all just tryin to help here, that’s all.
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Yep

Here's how I resolved the problem with my custom topper. Hobie needs to do something similar to move the spinnaker halyard/forstay lines away from the mast. The new cleat that Hobie just added is also something that was needed. I do something similar to resolve that problem by unsnapping the spinnaker halyard from the head and clipping it to the boat when not using the spinnaker so I can tension the line so that it's not flapping around.

Here's a quick video I made last night of my topper which basically accomplishes getting the halyard line away from the mast so when you furl the main, the mainsail battens won't grab the lines. https://youtu.be/36FwS2GtEf4



And for anyone interested, this is how it looks mounted on the bow. I also have a rubber mat over the hatch to keep water from leaking into the boat. The bow hatch is still accessible but a little harder to get to. I'm getting ready to do the Texas 200 in several weeks so I don't want to be pumping water out of the boat at the end of a long day.

You can see the red bow sprit in the snuffer bag. When I'm ready to sail I pull it out and quickly attach it to the bow on that blue rail you can see just under the snuffer opening.
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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:18 am 
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I applaud all the helpful methods outlined by all the folks with AI/TI issues re: spin among others. Just curious as to whether anyone has gone after the root cause and replaced their mast with something stiffer.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:29 am 
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tpdavis473 wrote:
I applaud all the helpful methods outlined by all the folks with AI/TI issues re: spin among others. Just curious as to whether anyone has gone after the root cause and replaced their mast with something stiffer.

I personally think the root cause is the newer sails and battens and not at all the stiffness of the mast which needs to flex. However, the new sails and battens are excellent other than the spinnaker issue.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:06 am 
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Yea I did that on my first TI back in 2010, the mast is hollow, I just put a fiberglass pultrusion up the middle, made the mast much stronger.


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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:57 am 
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... and not at all the stiffness of the mast which needs to flex. However, the new sails and battens are excellent other than the spinnaker issue.

Jim


Curious to know why you think the mast needs to flex. "most" sailboats go to great lengths to keep the mast from flexing by itself. Only advantage a flexible mast has is when in a blow or gust and the top blows off automatically or to automatically flatten the main. I know that Hobie tends to have a penchant for fleximasts and it does help a fast boat be faster (like an F18 or H18), but on a little unstayed slow boat like an AI/TI, it causes as many issues as it fixes. However, it is good to know that FE did try to stiffen his mast and it (expectedly) ended up breaking the mast support. I have to say that the AI/TI seems to be a tinkerer's dream; so many things to fix and play with to "make better".

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 am 
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tpdavis473 wrote:
Curious to know why you think the mast needs to flex.
Actually I am not an expert in the area of mast rigidity and thought Hobie intentionally designed the masts to flex. I was more responding that I felt the root problem was more related to the sail shape and battens .... not mast flexing. Because if the mast had zero flex at all, the problem we're discussing of battens grabbing the front halyard/forstay (when furling) would be the same.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:54 am 
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All boats can be made better and part of the charm of the AI/TIs is the rotomold hull that allows for customization to you hearts content. It's why I love this boat so much. Remember that that flexbible mast is also very light a easy to step. These boats can be ready launch in no time and with little effort. Effortless boating keeps me on the water. My comments about the tangles are just my way of reaching out to see if others have worked out solutions and to inform Hobie that we still need some spinnaker help out here. Not trying to complain.

Jim I am really interested in that sprit. Am I going to get to see that on the Texas 200?

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:35 am 
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vetgam wrote:
I have them both. They are both the same length. Did I get the wrong part?


Here is the difference between original and new:

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:05 am 
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vetgam wrote:
Jim I am really interested in that sprit. Am I going to get to see that on the Texas 200?

Yes Greg, for sure the bow sprit will be deployed on my TI during the Tx200.

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I have to say that the AI/TI seems to be a tinkerer's dream; so many things to fix and play with to "make better"
This is a bit off the subject but my new favorite TI mod for long distance sailing is an armrest I fabricated to go easy on my old shoulders. The armrests swing out for easy in and out or if you get tired of using them. That and my poor man's bimini top (Versabrella) which mounts to either the vantage seat or on a bracket I added to the armrest rails. It's been tested in many different conditions and works pretty darned good to shelter you from the sun (or rain).
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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
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Matt, the part in this picture is not I was talking about. The part that needs to be longer is halyard line holder that sits on top of the item in your picture. Matt, I appreciate that you monitor these forums and that Hobie has made the attempts to fix the issue.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spinnaker Fix
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:06 pm 
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vetgam wrote:
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Matt, the part in this picture is not I was talking about. The part that needs to be longer is halyard line holder that sits on top of the item in your picture. Matt, I appreciate that you monitor these forums and that Hobie has made the attempts to fix the issue.[/quote]

That is what this picture it - that base goes into the topper - it lifts the topper higher from the top of the sail.

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