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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:31 am 
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Serious question here. Are these sailing clubs that have events where HOBIE island members sail together? Or is it some sort of marketing scheme?

As a solo guy I would really like for there to Ge HOBIE events to go to, if I get an island. But near as I can tell none of these clubs are actually active.

Also, where are the HOBIE island nationals? Of the route cruising groups? Just things I would assume exist.

Finally it seems like this forum used to be a lot more active and islands used to be sold a lot, but I’m getting the impression this isn’t the case so much in recent years.

Please don’t take this negatively. I’m on the outside looking in so to speak, don’t have an island and have only seen one in person once.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:26 am 
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It's hard to answer many of your questions because you have not indicated where you sail or plan to sail. Please put your location in your Profile.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:52 pm 
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How active any individual island club is depends a great deal on the people involved. It also makes a huge difference if a local Hobie dealer becomes involved. Here in NC, we have a couple dealers but one is located about as far as you can get from anywhere in the state and the other has zero interest in heading up a club. I am aware of other states where dealers maintain a leading role (and reap the sales benefit). If your nearest dealer is not involved, try using this forum to connect with other island owners that may be looking for the same thing you are.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:01 pm 
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Jay we have these clubs in Texas but some are more active than others. They tend to be more educational than clubs. We created one of our own in Houston for group sailing events. They are what the members make of them.

I agree the site is less active. I think that in the years past everything was new and people were posting new modifications. With all the topics disscussed and information in the archives, it's getting harder for people to come up with new ideas to post. That's my take anyway.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:00 pm 
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I don’t have a HOBIE Island. Previously owned a fiberglass sailboat. I’m hitting the road in January with the time intention of traveling full time and working from the road (I’ve worked remote for years.) Initially I’ll be doing a shakedown “cruise” of my rig and mountain bike but later I’m thinking about getting an island.

If this were an active class with a half dozen races and a half dozen cruises around the country each year and maybe an annual Rally then I could schedule my travels around those, and that would be convenient.

Alas, I’m thinking I may need to scale down my ambitions to an inflatable kayak that can take a sail and carry it around with me all the time.

The difference between taking up some space in my van and towing a 20 foot trailer behind me 24/7/365 is pretty huge.

How do you feel about pulling into gas stations while towing an island?

Anyway I wrote earlier this year about some ideas of how to rig up a way to carry and island without towing it, but the advice was to just tow it. (Though I don’t think there are many people towing islands up to ski resorts, which is what “just tow it” would mean for me in the winter!)



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:03 pm 
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The South East Queensland Hobie Island Club is very active, we sail abut twice a month year round www.seqic.com.au

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:50 am 
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Jay,
well for sure there is a big difference between the freedom of an inflatable kayak and a sailing boat as the Hobie Island is. There is also a big difference between a tandem and an island. If you sail solo u should consider the AI as your target and in this case i should suggest you not to use a trailer but just to travel with the trimaran on the roof of your car. It will still be heaver than an inflatable but u cannot really compare not only the emotions but also the range of your expeditions.
Fot the forus, yes I think in the lasr year is less active, maybe becaise some infos are not being placed on Facebook. But the forum has a great advantage that u completely loose on fb. you can search and find the old posts. i really wish a long live to the forum


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:10 pm 
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Regarding the OP not being able to decide after all the posts so far in several threads, just go and actually start your adventure first. If you cant decide then... Im not sure we would be of any help.


Regarding the club sailing, there used to be a club in Colorado but somewhat fell apart. Im not sure why. It was mostly a good thing.

I have had some of the most fun and un-fun sailing on the TI in group outings.

Most fun group sailing has been when we have had a pack of similar equipped TI's and we go do a "water hike" to some destination. Usually couples (more fun for me since my wife likes to go on the group outings) and since the boats are nearly identical, its not really racing, more like taking a hike with friends. We might pedal sail many miles to a restaurant or some cool destination. This might be my very favorite type of sailing and I also have a 26 foot sailboat right now sitting in a slip that also gets a fair amount of use (Arizona). TI group water hikes are the best..

Least fun group sailing was a group just out buzzing around a beach and one person thought no one should be pedaling (called himself a sailing purist) and would yell out cheater if someone was pedaling. Killed my enthusiasm for that type of sailing very quick.

The Adventure islands have somewhat of an identity problem with clubs. Some people just want to "sail" and the pedals are like an aux outboard on a sailboat. Some people like to pedal sail and do water hikes or water bike rides. Others get these boats to fish and only sort of care about the sailing aspect. I noticed that even the Hobie marketing is a little more focused on the fishing aspect maybe because that is who is buying most of these boats.

The club I would like to be part of would do the water hikes where you pedal as much as you like but even that got somewhat messed up when Hobie came out with the Spinnaker. Makes it hard for a group now since some have the spinnaker, some dont.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:55 pm 
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jay2018 wrote:
The difference between taking up some space in my van and towing a 20 foot trailer behind me 24/7/365 is pretty huge.

For internal carry, do you mean a camper van with limited cargo space or a mostly cargo van? For the latter you still can fit a take-apart fiberglass sailboat designed to be nested into typical SUV cargo bay. This gives a full planing monohull experience, along with a boom which gives you huge power in a broad reach (unlike Hobie boomless kayak and ??possibly?? AI). I have one, but fear the lulls for which I only have crude paddle power.

For a camper van, I have done a lot of thought of where to put inflatables. The bag dimensions for Hobie inflato yaks are on their web page. I think the i9s suitcase is half a foot shorter than i12s in one dimension, but still requires more space for pedal drive and sail kit. I might allow extra space to insulate it from extreme heat which may attack the seams over time. These yaks have tremendous go power in lulls due to the pedal drive, but don't sail fast downwind unless you maybe fashion a boom-batten. Also cannot stay on course with steep waves over 3 feet.

One compromise is a sail/row inflatable dinghy. I have one with a boom and it gives a full traditional sailing experience. It is a bit slow, but is wide enough to really power up the sails without risk of flipping over. Mine is a terrible rower, which I would not depend on for casual journeys. It folds up to only a bit bigger than the Hobie 12s, and I actually carry both together in small SUV cargo volume. I imagine you will be often reaching some scenic spot with unreliable wind, so may either need a mirage drive option or maybe putting an electric motor on a dinghy.

A crazy thrill option is a large inflatable catamaran, which comes in long packages for all the tramp frame, etc. I figured my 6' x 2+' package could fit on top of a camper bed, like on the campervan with twin beds along each side. This is horrible to paddle in the lulls, but can handle a lot of boomed sail power with it's fat banana hulls which never submarine. In my case this leaves a small amount of SUV leftover footprint for maybe a heat-resistant origami folding kayak or SUP or whatever since I don't like to stack atop the intricate cat equipment.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:04 pm 
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Oh, I see elsewhere the OP was considering a large campervan with sort of a toy garage. So I will update my above menu of options. Of course there is the slick pedal/sail AI package on rooftop (maybe stepping on solar panels and a/c?). Or on a trailer maybe hard to back up with such a bulky vehicle.

The internal carry option could include a modular take-apart point65 kayak, but it looks hard to attach an aftermarket sail kit. I think a Hobie i9s inflato-yak with i-sailkit, big sailing rudder, and long turbo fins/daggerboard would be an absolute must. You will arrive in amazing places with uncooperative wind or harbor mazes, and this will make it a non problem. I only got the i12s due to needing more deck space, but speculate the i9s may benefit from the sail, rudder, and "daggerboards" being relatively larger and more effective compared to hull size.

Then I would get an additional watercraft optimized better for sailing. Since the OP seems interested in social boatings, he may not like my practical but somewhat dorky choice of a row/sail dinghy like from dinghygo. Either the coming Orca model, or else the smaller Nomad3 model. The former has stayed mast and more room for a passenger. The latter has some probably correctable weather helm issues but otherwise sails like a champ. Rowing might work better with longer than the stock oars.

For a sexier choice than a dinghy, you could go with the price-no-object rigid glass/carbon take-apart Reversoproject. Full throttle sailing with little backup plan for paddle/pedal. Self bailing, as is the dinghygo.

Or go with the many models of inflatable catamarans such at Happycat, Ducky, or Minicat in all sizes. The Minicats with 2 skegs seem unique among all these choices in not needing deepish draft for a fragile centerboard. Hard to paddle, but if you think the fat hulls make the sailing sluggish, see the thrilling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSrCgVZnOgM . For all but the Hobie inflatable, I strongly recommend a top end electric air pump with automated combo turbo and piston modes.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:53 pm 
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For inflatable carry, consider a front hitch receiver, with a steel or aluminum cargo rack forward of your front bumper. That's how I carry mine on my Class C RV.

I would not consider a non-drop stitch inflatable at this point. Hobie does not offer a drop stitch model that I know of. I like the pedal drive for the TI- a big, heavy sailboat. For a 40 pound, 15 foot inflatable, I prefer the paddling experience.

Around the cans racing TI's seems pointless- it's an adventure boat, which means a partially athletic component.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:56 am 
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bluelaser2 wrote:
I would not consider a non-drop stitch inflatable at this point. Hobie does not offer a drop stitch model that I know of. I like the pedal drive for the TI- a big, heavy sailboat. For a 40 pound, 15 foot inflatable, I prefer the paddling experience.
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All 3 sizes of Hobie inflatable sail-yaks have drop stitch floors, altho only at moderate pressure. Your inflatable may be one of those sleek thinwall ones with high pressure dropstitch all around. Easier to paddle, but probably can't self-bail. My inflatable yaks all have blimpish lower pressure sides for excess buoyancy to drain the floor dry. They are a drag (in both senses) to paddle, so paddling is only worth the effort for me when it gives access to waves higher than this:



The Hobie inflatables pedal fine, although it can be tiresome to always have wobbly hulls anchoring your seat and sail rigging. That's why I offered the nest-able glass sailboat as a (pricey!) Hobie companion. Even the inflato catamaran has a rigid boat feel because all the rigging is attached to rigid tramp frame. I was thinking a little class B rv van could internally hold the incredible sailing firepower of a Hobie i9s, i12s, or i14t somewhere in the passenger quadrant of the van, then the coffin sized inflato-cat container strapped on the shorter of the two side beds below:

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If OP is thinking of living in an RV as opposed to occasional short trips, I think I would eliminate the complexity of a trailer and maybe put an AI on the roof (look out for low bridges and parking garages). All I remember in trailering a boat was the wet shorting out signal lights and seizing bearings. And having boat hardware parts stolen. Crossing state lines may lead to being stopped for say, no trailer inspection, then maybe the cop finding contraband that your stoner mechanic left in the van.

Simplicity and internal storage may avoid a lot of problems. Could even start with a modular rigid kayak such as Point 65 Tequila. You can add extra sections to turn it from a 1 to 2 or 3+ person craft. The one person mode has a low weight rating tho, and the listed wave tolerance is extremely low. Not sure if that is due to weak joinery, or that Swedish makers kowtow to EU restrictions requiring exorbitant testing programs to make claims of surviving more than minuscule waves. And no mirage drive.

P,,S, Here is the logical, if unsexy, solution for me. Get a little "B" van with full (or queen?) bed crosswise in the rear. It will be elevated (or elevatable) to create a modest toy garage below it enough for an inflatable Hobie sailing kayak and Dinghygo row/sailboat. Now they can be put away a bit muddy or sandy without intruding into living areas. When it starts feeling like all your boats are wobbley, rent a rigid boat about once a month.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:18 am 
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<Apparently I can’t delete this post. This post is redundant because others answered the question.>


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:23 am 
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Sardinian Islander wrote:
If you sail solo u should consider the AI as your target and in this case i should suggest you not to use a trailer but just to travel with the trimaran on the roof of your car.


I’m traveling in a ProMaster cargo van. The vans LOA is 21 feet— but that’s bumper to bumper. So an AI or TI on the roof would be hanging over the front hood a bit.

If I’m trailering the difference between an AI and a TI is negligible-/ a 22 or 24 foot trailer isn’t that big of a difference.

Right now the best solution for an Island seems to be to get a V-nose cargo trailer and put the HOBIE inside of it (would love all that roof real estate for another 1-2k Watts of solar power.)

If I go that route would probably leave the TI in the van in storage somewhere in the middle of the USA and pull it out for specific trips.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:30 am 
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walt wrote:
Regarding the OP not being able to decide after all the posts so far in several threads, just go and actually start your adventure first. If you cant decide then... Im not sure we would be of any help.


Regarding the club sailing, there used to be a club in Colorado but somewhat fell apart. Im not sure why. It was mostly a good thing.

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Oh I’m starting my adventure, in fact, I have started it. Just haven’t bought a boat. I won’t be buying a boat soon either because I’m working my way down the list. I see no reason to make a decision now when I don’t have to, and am not ready to buy. I had never heard of the island until last spring— and the island club made me think there was a class and events for this boat.... so that’s why I’m asking now about the activities of those clubs. Sounds like there was one you joined and it was too small and broke up (a health community would have enough to have different groups for the different interests.)

If you find my questions annoying or think I should “just decide” that’s a bit like the sailing purists you bemoaned who only see things thru their own filter.

I don’t deny my choices and lifestyle are pretty radical.... I’m doing something nobody else I have heard of has gone with my camper van (which is why I’m building it myself) and adding a boat to this is just an option— I am asking for info only.

Specifically about the nature of island clubs and any events they gave.


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