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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:19 am 
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Just thought I would post an update in case anyone ever has rudder/steering problems, and needs another avenue.

TL;DR - it was a knot in the limiter that made the limiter too short for the handle to move the rudder full sweep

Was out sailing on Sunday, and once the wind picked up I lost the ability to steer port, and steering to starboard was very slow). I've always thought the steering from the rear seat (where I always sit) was dismal, but this is the first time I could actually not steer through wind. I decided then that I would completely disassemble and re-install the steering. I am one of a very small number of people that have steering concerns, so I'm sure it wasn't "just how it is".

I ended up doing a lot of poking, prodding, and taking pictures inside the hull of the TI to figure it out and see if there was an obvious problem. I found a cable of possible concern and was able to roll it off the stud on the aft steering handle, leaving it hanging loosely from the string going to the forward steering handle.
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This pretty much disabled the ability to steer from the rear (would only steer one direction), but it allowed me to adjust the rudder for the front handle, and found that with just the front attached, the steering worked almost perfectly (no stiffness, rudder had almost an inch of extra sweep). So then I knew it was an issue with the rear...

Next I disconnected the steering line from the rudder, pulled the guide tubes out, and started digging around more (at this point I still didn't fully grasp how all the lines interconnected). Finding no issues with the lines running aft of port quarter I reinstalled the guide tubes and lines, and started tracing every inch I could reach with my fingers. The last thing I checked was a line running directly from the rear handle to the starboard side (later identified as a "limiter"?). I felt a figure eight knot in the middle of the string, and although thinking "how much difference could a little knot on a random string make", I decided to just remove the string and take out the knot...
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With an allen key, I removed the yoke from the front handle (inside the hull)
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which gave me enough slack to remove the steering line loops from the knob at the rear handle, and was able to pull the knotted string out of the 8" hatch and remove the knot. I put all back together again (3 loops onto the knob at the rear handle, re-install the yoke, reattach the lines to the rudder), this time in a way that ensures they won't slip through the little screws on the rudder, and found that rear steering now works just like the front!
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So if anyone ever has issues where their steering doesn't seem to swing fully, check that limiter line; if its guitar-string tight and the rudder is not fully turned, it could be the issue.

I hope this helps someone in the future. The steering was one of the most disappointing things about this boat, and I was getting close to just figuring out a way to install a tiller directly to the rudder. Hopefully I will get a chance to test it out this week...but I'm thinking with an extra inch of rudder sweep each direction, it will be much better.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:50 am 
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Good post. What year TI is this? Did you get an pictures that you can share?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:51 am 
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RickO, thank you.

Its a 2021, just took delivery about 1 month ago (and my first Hobie) and have been slowly shaking out the faults and refining the transportation over 4 sailing trips; there were not many faults, the steering being that major one which I posted in another thread looking for advice.

I did take a few pictures, and will try to get them up in an edited main post. Just a heads up though, these were taken so I could see what was going on underneath, not really for mass consumption, so the quality will be very...well, not quality.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:10 pm 
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Keen observers will notice the problem with the front yoke...one that I didn't notice until I reviewed these pictures.

For all the pics, feel free to see the post here: https://imgur.com/a/3DkqDDU

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:02 pm 
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Thanks. That will be helpful for future reference.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:46 pm 
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Thanks heaps for going to the time of posting your story and pictures - will undoubtedly be of assistance to many people.

I was also going to chime in to say there looks like a couple of bits of plastic broken/breaking - if by the front yoke, you mean the picture with the spring touching the plastic that looks broken, then looks like others have already spotted it.

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 am 
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forsythem wrote:
Thanks heaps for going to the time of posting your story and pictures - will undoubtedly be of assistance to many people.

I was also going to chime in to say there looks like a couple of bits of plastic broken/breaking - if by the front yoke, you mean the picture with the spring touching the plastic that looks broken, then looks like others have already spotted it.

Cheers!
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Michael, I honestly didn't notice the cracks. I'm curious what a failure there would do to the steering? My comment was about the little rod above the yoke that should not be sticking out...similar to the steering handles, it should be nestled in a groove to keep everything from spinning independently.

I'll reach out to Hobie about the crack though, just to get there take on it. Maybe I will still figure out an emergency tiller set up.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:22 am 
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I found a few diagrams posted last year by mmiller here:
https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 17&t=44479

in case people have issues getting orientated with my above pictures:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:57 am 
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knuckles wrote:
forsythem wrote:
Thanks heaps for going to the time of posting your story and pictures - will undoubtedly be of assistance to many people.

I was also going to chime in to say there looks like a couple of bits of plastic broken/breaking - if by the front yoke, you mean the picture with the spring touching the plastic that looks broken, then looks like others have already spotted it.

Cheers!
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Michael, I honestly didn't notice the cracks. I'm curious what a failure there would do to the steering? My comment was about the little rod above the yoke that should not be sticking out...similar to the steering handles, it should be nestled in a groove to keep everything from spinning independently.

I'll reach out to Hobie about the crack though, just to get there take on it. Maybe I will still figure out an emergency tiller set up.


Update: Hobie replied to my email stating "That insert bracket will not have an issue – it’s molded into the hull and held with screws from outside – they will always have that look. All kayaks with molded brackets will do that, it’s normal." So I guess its not something I need to worry about.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:35 pm 
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Another thing people can try if they have steering problems... I was struggling one day and realized that the line that holds the rudder in the down position was too tight. I gave it an inch of slack and it was fixed.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:01 pm 
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Foghorn21 wrote:
Another thing people can try if they have steering problems... I was struggling one day and realized that the line that holds the rudder in the down position was too tight. I gave it an inch of slack and it was fixed.


Interesting...that's almost the opposite of what I keep hearing. Everyone keeps saying that it needs to be pulled down hard...like "don't worry about snapping the line" hard. I'm going to try your idea next time out.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:35 pm 
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Great post, thanks


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