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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:05 pm 
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Jbernier wrote:
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Jbernier's post is confusing. Setting on PVC is bad?? Really? Nearly all trailers are set up this way. Everyone is wrong for doing this?


Yes - that is correct. We don't recommend this as a storage or transport method especially for larger boats like PA's - it will 'push' up on the scuppers - making the deck raise up - it distorts the boats long term.


Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:23 am 
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riverfish wrote:

Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


That's a good thing. It needs to be known that we only approve storage and transport methods we publish in the manual. I have seen several issues arise from bad storage / transport systems. I have pushed to specifically add PVC to the Do's and 'Dont's' section in our manuals storage pages. Specifically for Pro Anglers and Islands. (the heavier the boat the worse the distortion tends to be)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:34 am 
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Thanks for the heads up. I never used PVC to haul or store mine, but it seems, since so many people do, it just became an accepted thing. Yes, it is a good idea to add comments in the user manuals.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:25 pm 
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Jbernier wrote:
riverfish wrote:

Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


That's a good thing. It needs to be known that we only approve storage and transport methods we publish in the manual. I have seen several issues arise from bad storage / transport systems. I have pushed to specifically add PVC to the Do's and 'Dont's' section in our manuals storage pages. Specifically for Pro Anglers and Islands. (the heavier the boat the worse the distortion tends to be)


Why does Hobie Australia support the use of metal rails with padding on trailers?

A number of dealers are selling trailers with carpeted skids or padded metal rails, I was told Hobie support the use of metal rails with Hobie pads on them.

Seems to be internal conflict or misleading of customers by dealers?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:52 pm 
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Skinnee wrote:
Jbernier wrote:
riverfish wrote:

Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


That's a good thing. It needs to be known that we only approve storage and transport methods we publish in the manual. I have seen several issues arise from bad storage / transport systems. I have pushed to specifically add PVC to the Do's and 'Dont's' section in our manuals storage pages. Specifically for Pro Anglers and Islands. (the heavier the boat the worse the distortion tends to be)


Why does Hobie Australia support the use of metal rails with padding on trailers?

A number of dealers are selling trailers with carpeted skids or padded metal rails, I was told Hobie support the use of metal rails with Hobie pads on them.

Seems to be internal conflict or misleading of customers by dealers?


Hobie Aus sells trailers and the frames are pre-drill to use cradles. Some dealers sell 3rd party trailers like Mackay / Dunbier etc and use a number of methods subject to kayak type. For the PA12/14 we suggest cradles.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:15 pm 
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Steve Fields wrote:
Skinnee wrote:
Jbernier wrote:
riverfish wrote:

Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


That's a good thing. It needs to be known that we only approve storage and transport methods we publish in the manual. I have seen several issues arise from bad storage / transport systems. I have pushed to specifically add PVC to the Do's and 'Dont's' section in our manuals storage pages. Specifically for Pro Anglers and Islands. (the heavier the boat the worse the distortion tends to be)


Why does Hobie Australia support the use of metal rails with padding on trailers?

A number of dealers are selling trailers with carpeted skids or padded metal rails, I was told Hobie support the use of metal rails with Hobie pads on them.

Seems to be internal conflict or misleading of customers by dealers?


Hobie Aus sells trailers and the frames are pre-drill to use cradles. Some dealers sell 3rd party trailers like Mackay / Dunbier etc and use a number of methods subject to kayak type. For the PA12/14 we suggest cradles.


ok so dealers are misleading customers when they sau Hobie support the other options


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:52 am 
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Jbernier wrote:
riverfish wrote:

Certainly opens up a can of worms in this forum.


That's a good thing. It needs to be known that we only approve storage and transport methods we publish in the manual. I have seen several issues arise from bad storage / transport systems. I have pushed to specifically add PVC to the Do's and 'Dont's' section in our manuals storage pages. Specifically for Pro Anglers and Islands. (the heavier the boat the worse the distortion tends to be)


No mention of not using PVC in my manual, if you claim it's published and shipping with 2018 models. For the record, storing the kayak on 3" schedule 40 PVC for 4 days didn't cause this, nor did it create the issue of my hatch not being centered. We seem to be dancing around answers here, but thanks for advising me to discontinue the use of PVC. I was cautioned about leaving the kayak on a flat surface, because my buddy's PA had flat spots from storing his this way. Every kayak you see at Scheels is stored how you guys say not to store them, fyi.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 am 
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I have been storing my PAs on 3 inch PVC since my 2012 PA14. My 2015 PA14 is on 3 inch PVC (on the trailer) and sits in a garage that can get pretty warm in the south Georgia summer. Zero issues with this storage method affecting the hull for me. The 2018 Hobie Compass is also on 3 inch PVC. Not trying to dispute what a Hobie rep is saying here on the forums, but I was never told that the PA could not be stored on PVC and my manual never indicated it. Not sure what the raised decking issue is for the poster. That's up to him and the dealer to determine.

And to clarify...my PA14 sits on the trailer inside the garage. Is never stored outside and only has the seat installed. Usually everything else is out of the PA. So it's just the weight of the hull and the seat for the most part. If a PA was stored where it sits exposed to sunlight and is loaded with items, I can see how there could be an issue with most any type of pressure on the hull if the conditions were right. Just providing my observation. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:41 pm 
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I have been storing my PAs on 3 inch PVC since my 2012 PA14. My 2015 PA14 is on 3 inch PVC (on the trailer) and sits in a garage that can get pretty warm in the south Georgia summer. Zero issues with this storage method affecting the hull for me.


This variance in issues or not caused by PVC bunks could be a flex factor. If the tubes do not easily conform to the rocker of the hull you would get hard points of contact and not properly spread the loads. It could be the pipe materials or the way they are installed on the trailer.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:52 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
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I have been storing my PAs on 3 inch PVC since my 2012 PA14. My 2015 PA14 is on 3 inch PVC (on the trailer) and sits in a garage that can get pretty warm in the south Georgia summer. Zero issues with this storage method affecting the hull for me.


This variance in issues or not caused by PVC bunks could be a flex factor. If the tubes do not easily conform to the rocker of the hull you would get hard points of contact and not properly spread the loads. It could be the pipe materials or the way they are installed on the trailer.
In order to accomplish the necessary flex in the tubes, it is important that the tubes NOT be set on a flat surface, such as a garage floor, truck bed, or flat bed trailer. If the ends of the tubes are mounted on 2x6 risers at least 8 ft apart, and the tubes are not supported anywhere in-between, they should conform nicely to the rocker bottom shape of the hull.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:30 am 
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I have heard the cradles are not durable and will break. At that price why the hell would someone go with a cradle. On top of that Hobie recommends that the cradles be spaced 67" apart but at no point do they recommend where they should rest on the kayak... Wouldn't the kayak eventually sag on the cradles. :roll:


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