stringy wrote:
fusioneng wrote:
Stringy:
The revo 13 is also my favorite sailing kayak ( though I sold my last revo last year (budget cuts lol)) and only have my TI anymore). The reason I say that is I felt the standard Hobie kayak sail (~20 sq ft) seems to be size matched for the revo perfectly. However when using the same sail on our oasis I always wanted for more sail, as I couldn't even begin to keep up with my wife in her revo when we were together. Though I have never kayak sailed an adventure kayak with the standard Hobie kayak sail, my impression has always been that the results would be similar to sailing an oasis with the boat being a little large for the standard hobie kayak sail.
The reason I am bringing this up is you guys successfully lobbied with Hobie to keep the dagger board on the revo 16. But I have not heard a peep from any of you formally requesting for a larger 27sq ft kayak sail that would work well on the oasis,revo16, and the pa line of boats (especially the PA 14 and 17), where the Hobie standard kayak sail is too small for those boats.
Alternately they could come out with a furl able wing version of the Hobie kayak sail (like my designs) that could easily propel their larger kayaks. (A 22sq ft wing sail would be equal to a 30 sq ft conventional sail but with much less heeling), I'm just sayin.
Just a suggestion, if nobody asks for it Hobie will be oblivious to the problem.
Maybe you and Stobbo can bring this up at the next Hobie board meeting (lol)
Bob
"Hobie Board Meeting" ......I wish!
Some good points there Bob.
You are right about the underperforming small sail on the larger kayaks but I think you are missing the point that the Adventure being longer, narrower and faster than the Revo13 is a great performer with the small sail.
I'd love to see Hobie add a larger sail to their range but Matt's point about the mast tube is also valid.
In higher winds the unstayed mast wobbles all over the place.
The ability to furl it is the key.
A lot, of course, depends on your local wind conditions. You have posted about your light winds and I know in those conditions I wouldn't even bother sailing. Fortunately here we generally have more favourable winds and I'd say I probably sail more with a furled sail than not. That's why I haven't really done anything about a larger sail.
Though if Hobie were to release an XL sail I wouldn't hesitate to get it!
G'day Stringy hope you and my Old Mates are well.
Read this thread and agree with you about furling larger sails if the wind gets stronger, what, nobody told them that?
STAR Sails keep their aerodynamic even when furled 50%, and have Boom option.
Also, about the Step-load, Bill's alternative STAR SAILS are cut so less area at the top and made with a bendy mast deliberately to spill the air before it loads the Step.
If you look at the set of his Hang-glider sails you can see he knows what he is doing, the Furling gear does not look as Gucci as the Hobie one but works fine.
In my situation sailing calm estuaries in light winds a 3 SqMtr (32SqFt) is more suitable for my Revo and a must for my 2008 AI used without the ama.
I totally understand that Hobie chose that 20SqFt stock sail to be a good all-rounder but if I can tailor my boat for my conditions all the better.
Last question: Has anyone sailed an Adventure Upwind using the small Hobie sail and Sidekicks?
(It might be better for me to get a Revo 16 with Skeg and Star sail instead of a Revo 13 which is great but cannot sail upwind without pedalling. Some Revo owners might think they are sailing upwind but the boat is going downwind sideways as much as it is forward.)