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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:16 pm 
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Wondering why Hobie joined the Pelican kayak market in going with a rotomolded hull? Guessing cost was the driving factor?


Probably to keep brand recognition on the drive type and to crush the competition. I think Hobie is doing a nice job with quickly competing and also adding retail channels like REI. Smart.


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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:59 pm 
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The only real downside to the Thermoformed plastic is that it isn't going to be as durable as the rotomolded polyethelyne. If you fish shallow, rocky rivers and need to hump and bump over jagged rocks and whatnot - it's probably not the best choice.

Conversely, the upside is lighter weight and lower price. I suspect it will be very well received by most.


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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:51 pm 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
The only real downside to the Thermoformed plastic is that it isn't going to be as durable as the rotomolded polyethelyne. If you fish shallow, rocky rivers and need to hump and bump over jagged rocks and whatnot - it's probably not the best choice.

Conversely, the upside is lighter weight and lower price. I suspect it will be very well received by most.


I definitely agree. I had read about Thermoformed plastic and that is what I gathered, but nice to hear someone confirming it.
Yep, I think it's a great move by Hobie to put the mirage drive in an entry level kayak. I mean some of these fishing yaks I see are incredibly awesome, accessorized to the hilt but I think there are a lot of folks, (myself included), who don't really fish a lot and maybe only take their boats out a handful of times a year.
Without going terribly cheaply, say on the level of an Old Town Loon, or Next or similar, for just a couple hundred more I can get a far superior mirage drive, AND be able to get a fun sailing rig. I think Hobie is kind of opening up the market to the more casual user, people who might not have a couple grand+, but still want something decent.
And yeah, as someone else mentioned, teaming up with REI is a great call too! They are definitely known for selling good quality stuff ... good move.


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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:13 pm 
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The only real downside to the Thermoformed plastic is that it isn't going to be as durable as the rotomolded polyethelyne.


This is Thermoformed Polyethylene sheets, so similar abrasion wear. Seems really stiff too. Same repair process (Welding) if needed. We added the keel guard to limit the wear factor too.

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:14 pm 
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They are coming to Phoenix tomorrow... yay..I hope the heck I like them and they are shipped well... you know...stuff like that

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 6:53 pm 
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Only one color for both boats... sigh...

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 8:16 am 
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Trying to fill the pipeline... short on the other color here. Sorry! More coming.

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:38 am 
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vereinig wrote:
Finally, an affordable, less complicated Hobie peddle drive most people should be able to afford.

There is an incremental upgrade path though. Oddly the drive seems to lack 2015 era Glide Technology bearings, for which you can buy a kit. Also you can buy the extended turbo fins.

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:12 pm 
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Oddly the drive seems to lack 2015 era Glide Technology bearings, for which you can buy a kit. Also you can buy the extended turbo fins.
I don't understand what's so odd about that. If you're buying a boat for $1000 less, you're probably not going to have so many frills. The boat comes with what looks like a V-2 Drive and ST fins. These were the latest, greatest Drives not so many years ago, and have been proven to be reliable and sturdy. If you want more performance, you can buy it -- that's part of that $1000 savings. If you have another Mirage Drive you can use that instead.

I paid $1100 + tax for my first Hobie (Classic) 19 years ago. It didn't have a lot of bells and whistles either. The Passport is superior in so many ways for almost the same price a generation later. It's one heck of a bargain! Unfortunately, the price doesn't include sail or wind.

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BTW, about that drivewell insert -- Hobie actually came out with this in 2007 (pictured below). Sometimes it's all about having the appropriate application. :wink:
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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 4:28 am 
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Will the hatch accept the large gear bucket?

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 6:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:42 pm 
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Nice Boats Kramster! I can't believe you can get them both in the SUV, I guess that's part of the stackable hulls.


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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:34 am 
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I wanted to see if it would work with the stacking... don't stack tight though.. had to really secure them... buying a truck again in the next day or so ... so that will be handier.

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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:11 am 
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Great shots. I love that one with two in an SUV.

Looking forward to hearing your experience with them. I'm considering a pair, but wonder about the short length.


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 Post subject: Re: Mirage Passport
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:22 am 
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Roadrunner wrote:
I don't understand what's so odd about that. If you're buying a boat for $1000 less, you're probably not going to have so many frills.

It does seem odd, because GT seems to give a high benefit at low cost. And the hidden cost of maintaining a 3rd skew is significant - now for example you make too many of X and too few of Y in customer area A and the reverse in customer area B. Unless my assumption is wrong and Compass has no GT either and uses the same skew.

Of course I have strongly supported the principle here of simpler is desirable, and the 180 upgrade is the poster child of what I don't like and why I will hesitate to replace my GT/no180 inflatable except in hull-only mode. They made the 180 mainly to address the expiring patents and the cheap shots by propeller company ads, not to address a significant need. Yeah, the tech nerds celebrate it as they would any useless expensive gadget, like a side thruster mirage option.

Regardless if GT is a frill which even the Compass lacks, I thought I was doing the community a favor in pointing out what is different in these drives and 2 upgrade paths. I guess we have never understood each other since you posted that a sawn-off "phat" rudder sacrifices NO steering authority, when depth is everything in getting below disturbed water.

EDIT: I bet I know what's going on... The lack of GT won't be noticeable to those not looking for it and even it's modest expense will detract in the present ruthless marketplace. It's something that any customer would want if they knew about it, but they don't and won't.

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