New tramps?

The problem with where you have it, Karl is that the trap wire gets in the way of the tiller until the skipper traps (skipper sitting forward).

Thats true. I didn't have the boat too long after I did this. I think I raced two regatta's after that then got the "other" boat. If its going to be light air you could clip the skippers into the crews trap. I just hated the way it beat up the rail pad.

Karl my rail pad looks just like yours did. I do not worry about it as I just trim the damaged area. I am really looking forward to get the boat on the water. My biggest issue do far is getting the trailer out of my back yard! Still have close to a foot of snow. Had so much snow this winter that my trailer, which has a cover over it was buried with 3 feet of the mast support sticking up out of the snow! The good news is there will be plenty of water in the lake.

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07 H16
Sail No. 110387

I have been reading this thread with great interest.

I must say I do not notice a big pull forward on the wire, nor does it really gets in the way of the tiller... to be more honest, it does not get in the way of tiller more than anything else gets in the way I'm still learning how to sail a cat.
One day I will try to disconnect skippers shock cord from the grommet and bring this outside of the rail. Want to see if there will be any difference.

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Yuri
Hobie 16
Laser Vago

Yuri,

In light air upwind, and downwind in all but the heaviest air you want to get your weight as far forward as possible. The boat moves much better this way.

This usually means the skipper is sitting on the windward front corner and the crew is on the leeward front corner


This skipper has brought his tiller inside the shroud - a cumbersome maneuver. Many of us just bring the tiller up to the shroud (it's too long to go past, especially with one rudder up) and steer with it there. Having the skipper's trapeze wire further aft gets in the way - a lot.

You can also see in this photo that the skipper's trapeze is preventing the sail from going all the way out.

The reason he's got his feet up on the boom is to 1) hold it over and 2) keep the mast rotated.

why do skippers keep thier feet on the boom when the wind is stong enough to hold the boom over on its own

My guess is that it's to keep the mast rotated.

The mast will want to center itself if you have a lot of rig tension or downhaul on.

Wow, thanks for this information, Matt. I have never been there (front corner) yet. No wonder I did not see how skippers trapeze and shroud get in the way.

Karl, what the heck did you do to the boat!? How am I going to sail it now?

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Yuri
Hobie 16
Laser Vago

If you don't want to use the grommet just pull it to the outside of the rail. I didn't like the way it beat up the rail pad. I supposed you could just cut the bottom part off where it is damaged. It not like your feet need to be on the bottom side of the rail anyhow.

Karl, I know. It is now my turn to give you hell.

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Yuri
Hobie 16
Laser Vago

In the old days (1980), for the jib traveller line, we just rivited a pad eye to the underside of the rail, just aft of the shroud, and ran the traveller line over the rail and dead ended it at the pad eye with a figure 8 knot. That way, if the crew is on the wire forward of the shroud (calm seas) there are no crossed lines. To get really fancy, some would route the line under the tramp when you got to teh centerline, and teh crew coudl reach teh traveller line by reaching under treh trampoline.. Kept the tramp less lcutterd.

Bear in mind this is 30 year old advice.

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Raced extensively as a kid (against Matt Bounds!!), just bought a 20 year old 16 and am refurbishing it.

Sail # 21888