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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:50 am 
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My local Hobie dealers (really anyone in Texas) have no ETA on getting a Lynx, and my 15 year old Revo is in desperate need of retirement, so I scoured the internet and found several places with stock, I picked the most reputable looking place with decent shipping fees and kicked off an order.

It took about a week to ship, then another week or so to arrive. Not ideal, but I can work with it. I got the Kayak, it was well wrapped in a white plastic with "do not forklift", "Fragile", "this side up" stickersall over it, and there was no visible scuffing or damage on the package. So I ripped that off, took off a layer of heavy cardboard and another layer of heavy duty bubble wrap and it was beautiful!

But then I noticed the Hobie stickers were all crooked and bubbled, I had a laugh that QA must have had an off day as misapplied stickers on a premium $2,600 kayak isn't really acceptable, but whatever I bought it for kayaking not for admiring.

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I started rigging it up, and that was when I started to notice actual damage to the kayak.

A dent/crack near the front

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A line of deformation along the base

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and what looks like a long cut down the side in the plastic

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I immediately contacted the dealer and we talked through the damage and we both agreed it was unlikely to be shipping damage as their would have been clear evidence in the packaging, especially the long gash in the last image. They contacted their Hobie Rep and Hobie came back just now saying that it was shipping damage. Now the dealer wants to claim it against freight, which I get, but unfortunately with nobody having stock, there doesn't appear to be a way to get a replacement without Hobie coming to the party and helping out (they have to have hulls for warranty replacement). It will also take weeks or longer to get a refund, and I have a week long kayaking vacation coming up on the 3rd Sept, so I'm without a kayak, and without the money to get a new kayak.

I have contacted Hobie directly as well, but so far have just gotten the "work with the dealer" response. I would love an opportunity to contest Hobie claim that its shipping damage based on how well packaged the kayak was, and no noticeable scuffing etc on the packaging itself, I don't see how that long cut/scrape could have been done through all the layers of packaging etc. I also feel that the stickers being all messed up, while although not being a big deal, is a sure sign there was no QA done on the kayak, so I don't think Hobie is in a position to claim it couldn't have happened at the factory.

Anyways, at the end of the day, all I really want is a functional Hobie Lynx that I can get years of fun out of, like I have its predecessors. Regardless of who is at fault, I believe the best thing for all parties would be for Hobie to send me a new hull, and then let the dealer, freight, and Hobie figure out who's going to pay for it. As far as I can tell, without that happening, I'll eventually get my money back but not have a kayak and have to wait until some time into 2022 to get the kayak that I paid for at the start of August, which just means I'll end up getting a not Hobie kayak instead and nobody is happy.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:13 pm 
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The sticker wrinkles are likely from heat. Every one of these is inspected and photographed in our warehouse, so they would be able to tell if it was damaged before it left here. Damage from here to the dealer has to be reported by dealers. Dealers are supposed to inspect the product when it arrives. Any damage after it is shipped by them has to be assumed it was caused by that shipment.

The cracks are freight or storage damage. You would not see damage to the bag from crushing. The last shot looks like a crease, that happens in thermoforming. We tell dealers to use extra packaging if they are shipping kayaks to consumers. The Lynx will be coming boxed in the next run.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:52 pm 
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Good luck OP. Papaya is OOS for the rest of the year. You may want to involve your credit card company and do a chargeback.

BTW - I used to do vinyl sign applications - and I've never seen heat do that to a sticker.....


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:56 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
The sticker wrinkles are likely from heat. Every one of these is inspected and photographed in our warehouse, so they would be able to tell if it was damaged before it left here. Damage from here to the dealer has to be reported by dealers. Dealers are supposed to inspect the product when it arrives. Any damage after it is shipped by them has to be assumed it was caused by that shipment.

The cracks are freight or storage damage. You would not see damage to the bag from crushing. The last shot looks like a crease, that happens in thermoforming. We tell dealers to use extra packaging if they are shipping kayaks to consumers. The Lynx will be coming boxed in the next run.


Thanks for the fast feedback, the dealer had actually packed it really well, heacy duty bubblerwrap, heavy duty cardboard and two layers of a thick white plastic.

If the last shot is caused by thermoforming, wouldnt that have been caught by QA and shouldn't that alone be a warrantable defect?

At the end of the day my main frustration is that I spent $3200 (kayak plus shipping) to get a broken kayak, and then by the time Hobie took to Deny it as a warranty, all stock is gone everywhere so I'm Kayakless and cashless.

I really just want Hobie and the dealer to work together to get me a kayak, I don't even care about the color at this point. Regardless of fault and who is responsible for the damage, isn't the best result here a happy customer? Hobie must have spares for warranty. The dealer can chase freight to recover the cost and everyone wins.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:50 am 
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Same luck here.. mine came damaged aswell.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:09 am 
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Spow wrote:
Same luck here.. mine came damaged aswell.


hey Spow, those images are broken (I think because they're copied from an email and can't authenticate?), but I'd love to see them and compare.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:52 am 
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Great packing does not help if it gets crushed by other cargo. We use dedicated trucks to our dealers. If dealers ship, they use LTL trucks that are on a network. Cargo gets loaded and offloaded (cross-docked) at a minimum of once in transit. Each handling and re-loading adds more chances for damage. Best to pick up from a dealer if at all possible. Inspect them carefully before taking delivery.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:10 am 
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Wow I guess mine is minor compared to the OP's.

Mine wasn't shipped but I noticed it the day after picking it up from dealer -

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:16 am 
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mmiller wrote:
Great packing does not help if it gets crushed by other cargo. We use dedicated trucks to our dealers. If dealers ship, they use LTL trucks that are on a network. Cargo gets loaded and offloaded (cross-docked) at a minimum of once in transit. Each handling and re-loading adds more chances for damage. Best to pick up from a dealer if at all possible. Inspect them carefully before taking delivery.


Sure, I get that. what about where you mentioned
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The last shot looks like a crease, that happens in thermoforming.
? Is that not a warrantable claim regardless of the rest.


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Creases are cosmetic and not warrantable. They are somewhat common in this process I am told. Look at the scuppers areas. If anything they could be called 2nd quality.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:25 am 
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Are we talking about the crease on the bottom of the kayak in the second last photo, or the long gouge in the side of the kayak in the last photo?

If the second last is just cosmetic, I'll buy that, although I agree with your "they could be called 2nd quality" I don't think a full price premium kayak should have such major cosmetic issues.

The gouge in the last photo is what I thought you meant, which /must/ have happened when there was no packaging on the kayak, so it couldn't be shipping, and the dealer says it wasn't them, so again something for Hobie and the Dealer to work out, blaming shipping on that one is hard to swallow.

Anyways, as I said, all I really want here is a Kayak, Hobie and the Dealer can argue about who's at fault all they want, but I'm the one who's $3,200 out of pocket on something I ordered 4 weeks ago, received 2 weeks ago, and am unable to use. Again all I'm asking is please work with the dealer to replace my kayak. Hell if there's no stock even at Hobie, tell me to epoxy the crack to prevent water, use it, and you'll replace it when there's stock, I don't really care, I just want a functional kayak.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:42 pm 
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That is all freight and handling damage. The dealer can go after the freight company for that. Sucks for sure... Is that bubble wrap all it was covered by?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:33 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
That is all freight and handling damage. The dealer can go after the freight company for that. Sucks for sure... Is that bubble wrap all it was covered by?


https://ibb.co/Wnm5SFs

It came like this, with that thin white cover over the bubble wrap. Not much for protection.
Dealer is talking with freight and insurance company, but has promised me a new hull, but this one I will pick up in person. Just sucks that we can't trust freight companies to do their job. I will have to take a full day off just to drive there, 8 hours behind the wheel. Hopefully it will be worth it.


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Spow wrote:
mmiller wrote:
That is all freight and handling damage. The dealer can go after the freight company for that. Sucks for sure... Is that bubble wrap all it was covered by?


https://ibb.co/Wnm5SFs

It came like this, with that thin white cover over the bubble wrap. Not much for protection.
Dealer is talking with freight and insurance company, but has promised me a new hull, but this one I will pick up in person. Just sucks that we can't trust freight companies to do their job. I will have to take a full day off just to drive there, 8 hours behind the wheel. Hopefully it will be worth it.


That's great news ( in context ) that the dealer has promised you a new hull, do they actually have stock? This is the exact resolution I want for mine, a replacement hull.

Do you mind sharing who the dealer is, or at least their general location ?


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