Spin storage and rigging

First questions from a new H21 owner, and first time spin boat owner.

I have mast up storage for my boat and wondering what people do about their spin pole/sock and sail when storing mast up. I have a mid-pole snuffer. Do people take the sock off to protect from the sun? My spin halyard is also my retrieval line which passes through the sock along with the pole, so not sure how I would just slip off the sock.

So maybe I need to pull the whole spin pole off at the end of the day and secure the spin halyard so that I don't have it come out of the block up the mast? Then re-rig the pole and lines when I go out again.

Any help or ideas appreciated.

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Scott
Hobie 18 w/wings
Hobie/Holder 12 Funseeker
2 Hobie Waves
Tandem Oasis Kayak
Hobie 16
Southern California

Hi Scott,
Welcome to the H21SE support group
I launch from a bag on the tramp, so I don't have a useful answer for you. My buddy has a tiger (we race each other weekly) and he has a wrap with velcro that attaches around the snuffer. It keeps the sun off. Much faster than rigging the pole each time.

What spinnaker do you have? I just have the original, but I would love to get a new flatter spin with a snuffer!

-Todd

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Todd
Hobie 21SE
Bellingham, WA

A sun blocking wrap sounds like a good idea. Does he leave his spin in the snuffer too?

I believe it is the original size spin just now going into a snuffer for me. Spin goes half way down the wings when deployed. 3 patches were added to the sail to allow the mid-pole setup to work.

I would like a smaller spin at somepoint, but this should get me familiar with a spin.

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Scott
Hobie 18 w/wings
Hobie/Holder 12 Funseeker
2 Hobie Waves
Tandem Oasis Kayak
Hobie 16
Southern California

He leaves the spin in the bag, and covers the bag. Rip the velcro and pull, ready to rock!

I have heard that the boats came with two different sized spins, and this seems to corroborate that. My chute is original and it sheets in to the very back of the wing, just off the wing block (if there is no wind filling it). It is huge! I can't imagine trying to make it fit in a pole bag. With a little practice, the crew can deploy and recover pretty well off the tramp. It does take up room that I hate to lose. I'd like to find a known good modern cut spinnaker and snuffer!

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Todd
Hobie 21SE
Bellingham, WA

It might be the same size spin since my pole is out past the bows a decent amount (don't know actual length). I have not seen the bag launch setup, how long is your spin pole? My blocks are attached to the rear crossbar since I am afraid to anchor to the wings for fear of breaking the wings.

I also have the bag for tramp launching but don't know how they are rigged. It is a lot of spin to fit in the snuffer, and the few times I have used it have had a little trouble retrieving. Going to try to put a knot before the last patch so that it doesn't all get pulled in at once.

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Scott
Hobie 18 w/wings
Hobie/Holder 12 Funseeker
2 Hobie Waves
Tandem Oasis Kayak
Hobie 16
Southern California

Sorry for the delay, I didn't get a notify about your response...
I have a 12' spin-pole, and the block is attached to the top/aft most part of the wing seat.
There really is nothing to rigging from the bag. You have the halyard tack and sheet. You can attach the halyard and tack together with a block so you only have to hoist the halyard to pull the tack to the end of the pole, but it isn't necessary. I had it that way last year, and switched it back. The crew preferred to have the option of when to run the spin out on the pole.
Pull and set the tack, pull and set the halyard, sheet in and off you go.
Take down is easy as well, grab the foot of the spin and release the tack, lower with the halyard, stuffing into the bad as you go.
The big advantage for me with a snuffer is that I sail solo a fair bit, and I could use the chute by myself. It is really tricky to solo now.

Adding a knot should help slim down the stuff. Let me know how it goes. I'll try to remember to measure the spin tomorrow when I lay it out to dry.

-Todd

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Todd
Hobie 21SE
Bellingham, WA

I measured my pole at 13'. Also the sail is from Danger Sails, not sure who the original spins were made by.

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Scott
Hobie 18 w/wings
Hobie/Holder 12 Funseeker
2 Hobie Waves
Tandem Oasis Kayak
Hobie 16
Southern California

Ah, yes that extra foot on the pole should make things pretty close! Very good to know. Any info you have on the snuffer and bag would be great, pictures are better still.

My sail was made by Calvert.

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Todd
Hobie 21SE
Bellingham, WA

I am building a spinnaker pole set up and have one 13' 4" aluminium pole (ultralite plane wing part) 2 1/4" round or a pair of 1 1/2" round sunfish spars about 13' plus feet long.....which to use? I am wanting to build a code zero roll furling system that I can solo sail with. Is that the easiest spinnaker set up. I have used my giant '89 spinnaker and launched it out of the deck bag since it was new. Now that I have more time for sailing ,I want to finally upgrade to something different......................

Tell me what you all use..............

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Bill 404 21SE

Hey Bill,

I think either pole would work fine. Most of the strength comes from the attachment to the hulls.
The upside of a code 0 is of course the ease of use. The down side is that it is only for low wind sailing.
I rarely have less than 7 or 8 kts of wind so I couldn't really use one. I am considering a roller furling spin (code 3), but since I race the boat I'm not sure how much speed I'd lose on the upwind side with all that windage up there in the front. I suppose I could drop it on deck like the AC boats, but then I'm not really much better off

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Todd
Hobie 21SE
Bellingham, WA