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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:51 am 
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So, when you get right down to it, it looks like a reacher is going to reacher the market sooner rather than later (sorry)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:08 am 
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A statement by Chief this morning on the WaterTribe forum:

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As all true WaterTribers know, our focus has always been on safety. I am happy to report that nobody was seriously hurt. And why was that? First, the Coast Guard and all the other First Responders did an incredible job in dealing with an escalating situation. Second, our WaterTribers had every piece of safety gear that every recreational boater should have but most don't.

This event was a very localized and unfortunate confluence of wind, tide, and currents that produced difficult and unpredictable conditions. There were no Small Craft Warnings or Advisories at the time of the launch. We knew there was a good wind roughly out of the north. Many WaterTribers took advantage of that wind and made record time to CP1. I warned people at roll call that conditions would get a lot rougher as they got further from shore.

Since we had no ships visible in the channel and no weather alerts and a favorable wind, the launch went off on time.

For the first half-hour or so, things were looking good. But then I noticed that the wind was picking up rather than falling off as forecasted. Then a small sailboat capsized not far from the launch site. As you know it went rapidly downhill from there.

PaddleDancer and her team along with myself spent the entire day doing what we could to assist the Coast Guard in accounting for all WaterTribers and contacting each and every shore contact. I am always amazed at PaddleDancer's organizational ability and the dedication of our volunteers.

I did everything I could to allow the event to proceed, but I do understand the Coast Guards perspective on this. When I sit back and put myself in their shoes, I probably would have done what they did and force us to shut it down.

I have continued to work with the Coast Guard. Last night I sent them an email in which I apologized and took full responsibility for not getting a permit. I also thanked them for their assistance and promised I would not do one of these events again without a proper permit. I received a very nice reply and we are in the process of setting up a meeting as soon as my voice and throat recover.

WaterTribe will survive this and we will emerge stronger and better.

Keith

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:28 am 
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Tom Ray wrote:
Though I put one on mine, I came to the conclusion that the AI really doesn't need or want a jib. I don't use it any more. The boat has enough power upwind and reaching. It needs more power for running and broad reaching. My jib is pretty useless for those points of sail.

I like the look of the new reacher mod, but that contraption atop the mast seems like it could be a bit smaller.


The size of the head fitting has to do with getting beyond the battens, so the back stay doesn't catch (as much) when furling the sail.

The biggest difference in the reacher vs jib concept is the back stay support and the amount of load placed on the rig and bow. The reacher is far less load. The backstay supports the mast in column.

May have these by fall catalog time.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:36 am 
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Sounds like a smart move, Matt. Now, if we could only have a Hobie haka.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:32 am 
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We ask a lot don't we Matt? Jib, reacher, hakas... :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:00 am 
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Here is an excellent video. It's long at 16 min, but worth it. The last few minutes are the best--surprise ending.



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:53 am 
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Great Video! Worth watching all the way through.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:53 am 
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Chekika wrote:
Now, if we could only have a Hobie haka


Yeah, definitely on the list. Challenges are shipping, molding, fold-ability, strength, cost. Hard to compete DIY and wood. Hard to make from wood (can't ship to Australia) and be cost effective due to the multiple levels of distribution World Wide. VERY expensive to mold larger plastic parts. It is not so simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:47 pm 
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Hobie seems to be trying to take too big a bite. Spine boards seem very easy to fabricate.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:07 pm 
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I looked at spine boards on Amazon yesterday. They are a little heavy and quite expensive for what we are trying to do. The average weight was about 16 lbs. and the cheapest I could find was around $150. $300 bucks and 32 extra pounds seems a little excessive to me. I can see how they are struggling with this. Maybe Bob's miracle plastic can fix some of the issues?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:25 pm 
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There are all kinds of spine boards. This one is $129 + shipping. You would have a hard time building one yourself for that price, especially if you charge >$5/hr for your time.

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It can be found at http://www.mtrsuperstore.com/products/xtra-spine-board?variant=793579649

Hobie would not need to build a haka that would support 1000# like this one does. The lightest wood hakas are around 11-12#, many are significantly more.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:46 pm 
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Just caught up with this. Lots of great info in this thread. 8)
The cancellation of the EC would have been devastating for those entered, but as a keen onlooker it never disappoints, even when it is cancelled. I'm very excited about the new products up for release.

Re the spineboards. You have to be careful with the capacity ratings. The 1000lb rating would probably only apply if the spineboard was evenly supported at each of the handholds.
With the aka bar supports at around 1.4m apart, that capacity rating would drop significantly.
For those using spineboards, is it possible to walk along them when fitted? How much do they deflect under a middle point load of say 80-90kg (average bodyweight)?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:16 pm 
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stringy wrote:
Just caught up with this. Lots of great info in this thread. 8)
The cancellation of the EC would have been devastating for those entered, but as a keen onlooker it never disappoints, even when it is cancelled. I'm very excited about the new products up for release.

Yes, it was definitely very disappointing. Depressing to many. It now looks, to me at least, that the Coast Guard was sending a message to the WaterTribe. Chief has always wanted to be under the radar, but with 149 boats, 240 participants, and many newspaper/magazine articles, flying under the radar just was no longer possible. Chief should have obtained a permit from the Coast Guard, and he has apologized for not doing so. There seem to be reliable reports that the CG was picking out WaterTribers and telling them to get off the water, but other sailors were told to "have a nice day." The WaterTribe has grown like topsy since its inception in 2000. The protocols, which worked in the early years, need to be changed to fit the times.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:45 pm 
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Great video this year Bob. ("Nice Hakas" :lol: ) Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:54 pm 
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Ha! He said 80-90 kg average body weight. I guess that makes me above average at almost 230# ;)

Wood it is for me then!

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